Church and state

[MorningGlory]

in other words you lie. By your own admission you would be a deceitful person. So how are you a servant the Lord?

Did I say I would lie? Did I say I would be a deceitful person? I'm a servant of the Lord because I serve Him and YOU are walking on thin ice, buddy.

What do you call telling a job applicant that a job has been filled when it hasn't been filled if not lying?

I call it not opening the door until the job had really been filled. I don't make a habit of lying, fiji.

[flja]

QUOTE (shiloh357 @ Jun 17 2009, 11:24 PM)

My church takes a very active role in society, and they don't need an "amendment" to do it.

Does your church take an official stand on the issue of abortion or Sodomite marriage? Likely not since no church can take a stand on any political issue or political candidate without forfeiting its non-profit tax-exempt status, and most churches don

[Guest shiloh357]

So if a tattoo-covered, cross-dressing Sodomite shows up at your door, do you obey man

[OneLight]

What do you think the church is? A structure? I suggest you study what the body of Christ, or the church as it is called today, is. It is not a building. If the government wanted to take the building, let them have it. Christ will still move forward and become even stronger in the lives of His followers. You are worrying about the wrong things.

You are still missing the point of this amendment. It does not pertain only to Christianity. It is meant to clarify the right to freedom of worship for all religions in America. If you don

[OneLight]

You show me scripture that tells me clearly that Christ took a political stance against the Roman Empire, tried to set laws protecting them, and I will agree with you. Until then, everything you bring is subject to your interpretation of scripture. Christ came to save the lost, not to create governmental laws. The light is He who lives in us that you quoted from Matthew 5, telling us to go forth and live as Christians so sinners will see their sins. In these last days, we are to encourage and comfort each other, not get them all riled up into a political frenzy.

Jesus was against the Roman Empire for the simple fact that Jesus is God and the Roman emperor claimed to likewise be god.

Also, In Luke 16:13 Jesus said that we cannot serve both God and mammon. Christians therefore have an obligation to dispute, disrupt and destroy mammon even if mammon is aided and abetted by the government.

And then in Revelation 1115 it is declared that the Kingdoms of this world are become the Kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ. Thus Jesus claims authority over the Roman Empire and every secular government before and since.

You are twisting scripture to fit your rage. Jesus never took any stance against the Roman Empire, even though He didn't care for their ways. in fact, you will find in Matthew 22:21

[Believer1997]

7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

The power to tax is the power to destroy (McColloch v. Maryland). If the government is allowed to tax a church

[New_Wineskin]

How so?

Suppose you are a Christian and you own a business. Under current federal law you cannot discriminate in hiring so you cannot refuse to hire a non-Christian. If a tattoo-covered, cross-dressing Sodomite applies for a job with your company the law says you cannot refuse to hire him because he is a tattoo-covered, cross-dressing Sodomite and if you do refuse to hire him or even remotely try to tell him about Jesus Christ, he will likely take you to court and sue you for more than your company is worth.

So if a tattoo-covered, cross-dressing Sodomite shows up at your door, do you obey man

[New_Wineskin]

How so?

Suppose you are a Christian and you own a business. Under current federal law you cannot discriminate in hiring so you cannot refuse to hire a non-Christian. If a tattoo-covered, cross-dressing Sodomite applies for a job with your company the law says you cannot refuse to hire him because he is a tattoo-covered, cross-dressing Sodomite and if you do refuse to hire him or even remotely try to tell him about Jesus Christ, he will likely take you to court and sue you for more than your company is worth.

So if a tattoo-covered, cross-dressing Sodomite shows up at your door, do you obey man

[James M]

This sounds too much like Sha'ria law to me.......the church has no business in banking, housing or whatever and the government has no business in the church.

Furthermore, neither you, nor the government, has any business telling me or anyone else what our religion can and cannot be. Your attitude is precisely why this amendment is needed. If my religion tells me to run a bank or build someone a house, you have no legitimate authority to stop me.

And why shouldn't Christian churches be involved in things like banking and housing if they can exert a moralizing influence on commerce and society in general? Would the economy be in such a fix right now if our banks and mortgage companies hadn't been greedy to the point that they made bad loans?

Why shouldn't the church be involved in law enforcement, housing and other secular arenas? Because it's too much like Sha'ria law in muslim countries. If you think crime and greed are not perpetrated by those calling themselves Christians you must have recently relocated from Jupiter. I'm not interested in stopping you from getting this amendment added to the Constitution; you don't have the chance of a snowball in Houston of that happening. By the way, I didn't say ANYTHING about what your religion should or should not be so maybe you need to back up and rethink your ill considered statements above.

How many times has Israel had a successful preist who was King, or a king who was Preist; with the Exeption of Jesus Chist?

[James M]

This sounds too much like Sha'ria law to me.......the church has no business in banking, housing or whatever and the government has no business in the church.

Furthermore, neither you, nor the government, has any business telling me or anyone else what our religion can and cannot be. Your attitude is precisely why this amendment is needed. If my religion tells me to run a bank or build someone a house, you have no legitimate authority to stop me.

And why shouldn't Christian churches be involved in things like banking and housing if they can exert a moralizing influence on commerce and society in general? Would the economy be in such a fix right now if our banks and mortgage companies hadn't been greedy to the point that they made bad loans?

Why shouldn't the church be involved in law enforcement, housing and other secular arenas? Because it's too much like Sha'ria law in muslim countries. If you think crime and greed are not perpetrated by those calling themselves Christians you must have recently relocated from Jupiter. I'm not interested in stopping you from getting this amendment added to the Constitution; you don't have the chance of a snowball in Houston of that happening. By the way, I didn't say ANYTHING about what your religion should or should not be so maybe you need to back up and rethink your ill considered statements above.

How so?

Suppose you are a Christian and you own a business. Under current federal law you cannot discriminate in hiring so you cannot refuse to hire a non-Christian. If a tattoo-covered, cross-dressing Sodomite applies for a job with your company the law says you cannot refuse to hire him because he is a tattoo-covered, cross-dressing Sodomite and if you do refuse to hire him or even remotely try to tell him about Jesus Christ, he will likely take you to court and sue you for more than your company is worth.

So if a tattoo-covered, cross-dressing Sodomite shows up at your door, do you obey man