God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not Allah

[MorningGlory]

This week, I have heard the teachings of both Rico Cortes and Walid Shoebat. I've only begun on the extensive teaching they have available but so far I do know this: There is hardly anything more important for Christians right now than in making sure they know beyond a shadow of a doubt that YWYH is not Allah. I see the seeds of a strong delusion coming that will convince many that they are one and the same.

If others could add to this discussion the things that they see and hear around them in the media and, especially, in their own communities that serve to advance this false idea, I think it would really help to keep us on the correct way.

I suggest to anyone who will listen that they read the Qu'ran; maybe not the whole thing but enough to know who 'allah' actually is. It's very obvious that 'allah', aka, Ba'al, is satan and mohammad the False Prophet.

You are exactly right!

[MorningGlory]

Just for the record, it is the same GOD. The Muslims worship the GOD of Abraham. The difference is that they do so with a false religion and a false understanding of who HE is. But, they worship the same GOD, just wrongly.

Like many, they reject the truth for a lie. The brilliance of what Satan did with the Muslims is flawless. Start with a good solid absolute truth, "the GOD of Abraham is the only true GOD" and add a bunch of religious non-sense and create a false religion based around the one true GOD. It really is brilliant strategy.

'Allah' is NOT the same God we worship; allah is an updated version of the ancient Arabian moon god Ba'al (a.k.a., satan). The symbol of Christianity is a cross; the symbol of islam is a half moon.

[MorningGlory]

As to the Moon god stuff it's absolute nonsense and if you start spouting it whilst witnessing to a Muslim you will lose all your credibility immediately.

I've done a lot of reading about the origins of islam. Mohammad simply hung the name 'allah' on Ba'al (the moon god) and kicked off satan's very own 'religion'. I might lose my credibility but I will not lose my soul; unlike said muslim.

[nebula]

The "Allah" of the Muslims is the same "Allah" worshiped by Arabic speaking Christians and Jews.

So that's a "yes" - you do believe they are the same.

Just for the record, it is the same GOD. The Muslims worship the GOD of Abraham. The difference is that they do so with a false religion and a false understanding of who HE is. But, they worship the same GOD, just wrongly.

Like many, they reject the truth for a lie. The brilliance of what Satan did with the Muslims is flawless. Start with a good solid absolute truth, "the GOD of Abraham is the only true GOD" and add a bunch of religious non-sense and create a false religion based around the one true GOD. It really is brilliant strategy.

But if what they worship is not God as He says He is, how can they be worshipping Him?

If you read through the Old Testament, one point you should note is that when people worshiped God falsely, when they worshiped Him in ways He did not command, when they associated things that were not representative of Him in their worship of Him - the LORD condemned them and cried out that they were not worshiping Him.

[Fraught]

on google video, you can see the full length movie: 'islam: what the west needs to know'

[Guest shiloh357]

Just for the record, it is the same GOD. The Muslims worship the GOD of Abraham.

No, they do not. Islam is really nothing but a bloodthirsty demonic religion and that is what it was from the start. Mohammud did not start off worshipping God and then create Islam.

Mohammed, by all accounts, was completely insane. Worse, he was violent as well. If he were alive today, he would be instutionalized, if not sitting on death row.

Allah is an evil spirit, not the God of Abraham.

[Guest shiloh357]

As to the Moon god stuff it's absolute nonsense and if you start spouting it whilst witnessing to a Muslim you will lose all your credibility immediately.

I've done a lot of reading about the origins of islam. Mohammad simply hung the name 'allah' on Ba'al (the moon god) and kicked off satan's very own 'religion'. I might lose my credibility but I will not lose my soul; unlike said muslim.

Precisely.

[Botz]

What a silly argument.

Amor is trying to explain that if you are an arabic speaking Christian then God to you is pronounced Allah. So you are trying to get him to say God is not God.

The angle you should be approaching this is: that although the Muslims believe they reading scripture given by The God of creation, the truth is they are deceived and they are following a false doctrine inspired by man's greatest enemy.

I have to agree with what Amor has been trying to say here ie. that the word 'Allah' as used by Believing Arabs has entered the language as meaning G-d...they do not use the word 'Allah' in some way to delineate themselves from fellow Believers, but because in Arabic despite the detailed origins of the name and the association with the Moon god, or Baal etc...the word has become synonomous with G-d.

In the West we are immediately up in arms and on the defensive that they should use such a word...and suspect it is a way to still retain one foot in Islam, and dilute the Gospel of our Messiah the L-rd Jesus...but this as far as I can tell is absolutely not the case.

It is disconcerting and confusing to us, especially as in some places when a Moslem comes to faith in Jesus as the Messiah and Saviour, some are taught to no longer use the name 'Allah' because of the association...but as a few people here have tried to say...it is like telling a JW or a Mormon not to use the word G-d because the G-d of Charles Taize Russell or Joseph Smith was not the G-d of the Bible.

So when a believing Arab uses the word 'Allah' he is no longer using it to denote the Allah/god of the Qur'an, but the Allah/G-d who has saved him through the death and ressurection of His beloved Son Jesus/Yeshua.....is this so hard to grasp?

[Botz]

when a believing Arab uses the word 'Allah' he is no longer using it to denote the Allah/god of the Qur'an, but the Allah/G-d who has saved him through the death and ressurection of His beloved Son Jesus/Yeshua.....is this so hard to grasp?

no, it's not. but it's also not the point of the OP and is kind of a rabbit trail from it. the OP is not talking about the name 'allah'--but who or what allah is....also something that should be rather easy to grasp.

Hi Charitow....I believe you are mistaken, and the living evidence amongst believing Arabs and converted Moslems demonstrates this beyond question....unless you question their faith in the L-rd. It has become very obvious from the interaction on this thread that the whole concept that should be easy to grasp....is not.

I am well aware of what the OP started out by expressing....eg:

Fraught said...This week, I have heard the teachings of both Rico Cortes and Walid Shoebat. I've only begun on the extensive teaching they have available but so far I do know this: There is hardly anything more important for Christians right now than in making sure they know beyond a shadow of a doubt that YWYH is not Allah. I see the seeds of a strong delusion coming that will convince many that they are one and the same.

If others could add to this discussion the things that they see and hear around them in the media and, especially, in their own communities that serve to advance this false idea, I think it would really help to keep us on the correct way.

but as is often the case, the thread drifted slightly away from what Fraught was seeking, and yet touched on very relevant issues and high-lighted some deep-seated confusion and to my mind a deal of prejudice that makes for an interesting discussion and needs addressing.

I think we so often approach the gospel from a Western mind-set and are rather blinkered to what goes on in the name of the L-rd throughout the rest of the world...and there is still a tendency to speak as if we are the true custodians of the truth and everything must have a Western feel to it for our acceptance.

Concerning the idea that Allah of the Qur'an and Moslem religion equates with YWYH of the Scriptures and Judeo/Christian religion...it may be promulgated in the world from time to time, and there may by a continued trend towards eccumenical compromise that has been going on for years steadily chipping away at foundational truths about the nature and person of the One true G-d....but this should hold no fear for all true born-again Believers who know the voice of the Shepherd and will not follow another.

[Botz]

i understand what you're saying, but fraught also said this:

QUOTE (amor @ Jul 26 2009, 11:36 AM)

Allah means god in Arabic, it is consequently used by Arab Christians in the same way that English speaking Christians use the word god.

i didn't realize my intentions here would be misunderstood. i mean the name for the god of islam. it is in this context that i would like the discussion to take place.

i took that to mean he wasn't talking about what Christian arabs called God?

I know my friend...I just don't think the thread would last very long if it remained exactly on track in spite of the best intentions of the OP...I mean what is there to discuss...Allah of Islam is not G-d...

and any who try to equate the the G-d of the Scriptures with the god of the Qur'an are ignorant of the Father.

Whereas what has surfaced seems to me to be much more relevant and has obviously engendered some strong feelings, controversy and personal opinions....all the ingredients for for useful and hopefully enlightening dialogue, and even instruction.