Do you still go to heaven if you commit suicide?

[nebula]

For example; King Saul had eternal life and he lost it by comitting suicide.

I'd say that Saul lost eternal life long before then.

[HAZARD]

For example; King Saul had eternal life and he lost it by comitting suicide.

I'd say that Saul lost eternal life long before then.

Hi Nebula.

Yes he did, but when he fell on his sword and comitted suicide before repenting, he from that moment lost any chance of repenting of his sins and therefore was lost forever. Self murder is sin.

Haz.

[mjrhealth]

Why is it we question our Lords Grace and Love so often with our interlectual thinking. Do you think that God would hold suicide against someone, God doesnt accuse that is the devils job Jesus may be with that person in tears as He feels their pain, waiting patiently for them to turn to Him and cry out for help. But, if they finally commit the act, Jesus isnt going to hold it against them, for we are judged after death when our spirit stands before the LOrd, if that person sees Jesus and accepts Him, then why should God cast them out of heaven. It is us who decide wheter we go into heaven or not , by accepting or rejecting Jesus, as for the issue of crucifying Christ a second time. I read a story a few days a go of a pastors wife who obviously had given her life to Jesus, but then left her husband through temptation, another pastor was sent by Jesus to tell her to return or she will die, she said that she wanted nothing to do with Jesus anymore, rejecting her salvation, for her to gain forgiveness Jesus would have to go to the cross a second time for her. After she died she appeared to her husband in their home, he says how she looked up as if someone had called her name, then he said how she become afraid , and cried out , But I knew you", and she slowy descended into hell. It was her choice, she choose to reject Jesus after knowing Him just like the scriptures tell.

In His Love

[OneLight]

1.Why is it we question our Lords Grace and Love so often with our interlectual thinking. Do you think that God would hold suicide against someone, God doesnt accuse that is the devils job Jesus may be with that person in tears as He feels their pain, waiting patiently for them to turn to Him and cry out for help. But, if they finally commit the act, Jesus isnt going to hold it against them, for we are judged after death when our spirit stands before the LOrd, 2.if that person sees Jesus and accepts Him, then why should God cast them out of heaven. It is us who decide wheter we go into heaven or not , by accepting or rejecting Jesus, as for the issue of crucifying Christ a second time. I read a story a few days a go of a pastors wife who obviously had given her life to Jesus, but then left her husband through temptation, another pastor was sent by Jesus to tell her to return or she will die, she said that she wanted nothing to do with Jesus anymore, rejecting her salvation, for her to gain forgiveness Jesus would have to go to the cross a second time for her. 3.After she died she appeared to her husband in their home, he says how she looked up as if someone had called her name, then he said how she become afraid , and cried out , But I knew you", and she slowy descended into hell. It was her choice, she choose to reject Jesus after knowing Him just like the scriptures tell.

In His Love

Your doctrine is unsound. First, murder, being self or not, is against Gods word and He does not accuse, but judges. Secondly, one can not accept Christ after death. Thirdly, nobody, after death, comes back to anyone.

[Drawn]

Your doctrine is unsound. First, murder, being self or not, is against Gods word and He does not accuse, but judges. Secondly, one can not accept Christ after death. Thirdly, nobody, after death, comes back to anyone.

Agree.

[mjrhealth]

Stealing is against Gods word, as is lust, hate. anger, biternes, envy. worry, mistrust in God , does that assume we all go to hell, or is grace in there somewhere, and if read the post you would realise it was a spiritual event, it was her spirit that he saw.

In His Love

Edited August 31, 2009 by mjrhealth

[~candice~]

Stealing is against Gods word, as is lust, hate. anger, biternes, envy. worry, mistrust in God , does that assume we all go to hell, or is grace in there somewhere, and if read the post you would realise it was a spiritual event, it was her spirit that he saw.

In His Love

Wrong again. Jesus went to Abraham's bosom.

EDIT - you edited your post while I was posting. Jesus did not "waste His time going to hell"

[~candice~]

And you are still wrong....

Luke 16

The Rich Man and Lazarus

19"Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day.

20"And a poor man named Lazarus (S)was laid at his gate, covered with sores,

21and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man's table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores.

22"Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to (T)Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried.

23"In (U)Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.

24"And he cried out and said, '(V)Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in (W)this flame.'

25"But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that (X)during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.

26'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.'

27"And he said, 'Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father's house--

28for I have five brothers--in order that he may (Y)warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

29"But Abraham said, 'They have (Z)Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.'

30"But he said, 'No, (AA)father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!'

31"But he said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.'"

Unfortunately, it is a one-way street...

[OneLight]

Stealing is against Gods word, as is lust, hate. anger, biternes, envy. worry, mistrust in God , does that assume we all go to hell, or is grace in there somewhere, and if read the post you would realise it was a spiritual event, it was her spirit that he saw.

In His Love

Consider the timing. Those sins you mentioned allows one time to repent and ask for forgiveness. Self murder does not.

Oh, how sly the lies of the adversary are. If he can get someone to believe that they will be forgiven for taking their own lives out of the great love of the Lord, then he has done the same to that person as he did to Eve, twisting scripture to cause disobedience. Look what happened to mankind out of one act of disobedience,

[HAZARD]

mjrhealth

If self murder, (suicide) is ok in God's eyes and being with God is what we all want why dont you give it a try? In fact every Christian would be silly staying in a world full of sin any longer than they need to. We would all be doing ourselves in if it was not sin.

"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." (Mark 13:13).

"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." (Matt 24:13).

Comitting suicied is not enduring to the end.

Haz.