Heaven

[~Shalhevet~]

I believe we will have the same bodies we have now, only they will be redeemed, glorified, just as our Lords body.

I don't think so. Some bodies are beautiful and some, well, aren't so beautiful. I'm talking specifically about faces. I don't think we can have a face in heaven because wouldn't we be able to say "oh what a beautiful face" or "oh how ugly is he". And if it is a sin to lust another person's body or face, why would He put that same body in heaven? I kind of think that we're all going to be recognizable spirits.

I know what I'm saying but I just can't say it right. How frustrating. Sorry if I confused you all.

[Guest man]

I believe we will have the same bodies we have now, only they will be redeemed, glorified, just as our Lords body.

I don't think so. Some bodies are beautiful and some, well, aren't so beautiful. I'm talking specifically about faces. I don't think we can have a face in heaven because wouldn't we be able to say "oh what a beautiful face" or "oh how ugly is he". And if it is a sin to lust another person's body or face, why would He put that same body in heaven? I kind of think that we're all going to be recognizable spirits.

I know what I'm saying but I just can't say it right. How frustrating. Sorry if I confused you all.

No, you said it right.

[Miss Elly]

Yes but our earthly affections will be strangely dim in the light of His Glory and Grace.

A must read is John Bunnyans book " Visions Of Heaven and Hell" with the caution you will be excited and shocked.

I have read other books of going to heaven or hell, and to me they seemed speculative and always witness or sit well with me. Not saying theyre not true just that i leave them in the for later basket.

John Bunnyan spent 20 yrs in prison for preaching the gospel, and they let him out mostly because more were getting saved in prison than out, Satan couldnt win either way.

Bunnyan was about to suicide due to being misled by a false minister and losing all hope for salvation, but God in mercy sent an Angel to stop him just as he was about to pull the trigger. God instructed the Angel to show him heaven and hell and he was given freedom to ask any questions he had. He also met his mother and Elijah who with Enoch have only got purified bodies as they have died or been given their glorified bodies.

IMO opinion they will be the two witnesses whose bodies lie in the street for 3 days in Revelation 11:8.

But if anyone takes issue with the above please start a new topic and we can continue it there, unless ASC wants to take it further in this thread.

Are you referring to the John Bunyan who wrote Pilgrim's Progress? I have read his autobiography and there is nothing in it about suicide, etc. Thanks - I would like to read the book about visions of heaven and hell. Sorry, this is off the thread a little bit. God bless.

[nebula]

I don't think we can have a face in heaven because wouldn't we be able to say "oh what a beautiful face" or "oh how ugly is he". And if it is a sin to lust another person's body or face, why would He put that same body in heaven?

Lust comes from the sin nature. So does judging on appearances.

Our perceptions of beauty will be transformed. Not our faces.

[OneLight]

I don't think we can have a face in heaven because wouldn't we be able to say "oh what a beautiful face" or "oh how ugly is he". And if it is a sin to lust another person's body or face, why would He put that same body in heaven?

Lust comes from the sin nature. So does judging on appearances.

Our perceptions of beauty will be transformed. Not our faces.

Amen! Won't that be so nice!

[Guest man]

I don't think we can have a face in heaven because wouldn't we be able to say "oh what a beautiful face" or "oh how ugly is he". And if it is a sin to lust another person's body or face, why would He put that same body in heaven?

Lust comes from the sin nature. So does judging on appearances.

Our perceptions of beauty will be transformed. Not our faces.

Can you show me where this is stated?

[HAZARD]

Without our body, will we recognize friends and family in heaven?

Hi.

One thing God has kept from mankind is where He lived, or existed before He created Heaven. This is one of the secret things of God. But we do know this:

HEAVEN IS A CREATED PLACE, . . . . (Gen. 1:1; Isa.42:5: 45:18; Col.1:16-18: Neh.9:6; Ps. 102:25; Prov.8:27).

ITS VERY SIMILAR TO THE EARTH. (Gen.1:1; Heb.11:8-16). In this last passage it is called a "BETTER COUNTRY." Heaven, therefore, is not an invisible nothing or a cloud floating in space where saints sit and play harps forever.

THERE ARE THREE HEAVENS. Besides the planet called Heaven where God dwells (Gen21:17; 22:11, 15: 2 Cor. 12:1-3; Deut. 26:15; 1 Kings 8:30;38, 43, 49) there are two other spheres called Heaven. Paul speaks of three heavens (2 Cor. 12:1-3) The third Heaven here is called the paradise where God lives. The other two heavens are: the clouds (Gen.1:8; 7:23; 8:2; Job 38:9, 34; Isa. 14:14; Jer.51:16) and the starry space between the Earth and the planet Heaven (Gen. 1:15-20; 22:17; Isa.14:12-14; Ps. 8:3).

HEAVEN IS THE CAPITOL OF THE UNIVERSE, for God has His capitol city, the New Jerusalem, His capitol building, the Heavenly Temple or Tabernacle, and His throne in the Temple in Heaven. This city is described by John in Rev.21-22. This capital city will continue to be in Heaven until the end of the Millenium and then it will be moved from the planet Heaven to the planet Earth (Rev.21:2, 9-21). Many Scriptures speak of God's throne being in Heaven. (Ps. 103:19; Rev.4:1-2). That God has a real temple in Heaven is clear from Rev.4-5; 11:19; 14:17; 16:17.

GOD OWNS AND RULES FROM THE HEAVENS OF HEAVENS (Gen. 14:19,22; Ps. 11:4; 89:11; Luke 10:21; 11:2). He also ownes the Earth and all things in the universe, but at present this planet is in rebellion against Him. This is why Jesus will be sent from Heaven with the armies of Heaven to sieze this rebellious part of the universe and restore Gods absolute rule on Earth as before the rebellion started (1 Cor. 15:24-28; Rev. 19:1-21; 20:1-10 Zech. 14; Jude 14; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; Joel 3; Matt. 24:29-31; 25:31-46).

THE LOCATION OF HEAVEN IS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE UNIVERSE. (Isa.14:12-14). In Scripture we are told that Lucifer led a rebellion into Heaven into the sides of the North. In Ps.75:6-7 we are told that promotion comes not from the south, east, or west, but from Lord and therefore from the north.

HEAVEN IS INHABITED (! Kings 22:19; 2 Chron. 18:18; Matt.18:10; 22:30; 24:36; Rev. 12:12; 13:6). Armies and hosts of Heaven are mentioned an number of times as seen in these passages and in Dan. 4:35; Luke 2:13; Rev. 19:14. These inhabitants are listed in part as common angels, archangels, seraphim, cherubim and other spirit beings. Heavenly bodies are mentioned in 1 Cor. 15:48-49. Rejocing in Heaven is referred to by the inhabitants in Heaven (Ps. 96:11; 148:1, 4; Isa.44:23; Rev. 12:12). 8. Paul speaks of "the invisible things" in Heaven as being like the visible things on Earth; that is the things in Heaven are just like the things on Earth. (Rom. 1:20). The word "things" is used in many passages in referring to realities in Heaven. (Phil. 2:10; Col 1:16-20; Heb. 8:12; 9:23). We know from Scripture that in Heaven there are Cities (Rev.21), mansions (John 14:1-3), trees, rivers (Rev.22:1-3), fountains of water (Rev. 7:17), food (Ex.16:4; Ps.78:25: 105:40; John 6:31-51: Luke 22:16, 18, 30; Rev. 2:7, 17: 19:1-10; 22:1-3), animals (2 Kings 2:11-12; 6:13-17; Zech. 1:8-11: 6:1-8; Rev. 19:11-14, 21: Rom. 1:20), furniture tongs (Isa.6:6), fire and coals (Isa. 6:6; Rev.8:5) censer and incense (Rev. 8:4-6), smoke (Rev. 8:4; 15:8), musical instruments (Rev. 5:8; 14:1-5; 15:2-4), clothes (Dan. 7:9; Rev. 1:13; 6:9-11), stones (Rev. 2:17), books (Rev. 3:5; 5:1-7; 10:1-11; 20:11-15), Also mentioned in Scripture are, vials or bowls, crowns, thunderings, lightnings, clouds, lamps, a sea of glass, singing, worship, palm trees, temples, silence, so there must also be noise at other times, trumpets, hail, mountains, keys and chains, measuring sticks, olive trees, the ark of the testament, doors, posts, girdles, pearls, diamonds and other precious stones, walls, gates, gold in abundance, streets, fruits, banquets, and many other inumerable things. If the invisible things in the heavenlies are clearly seen by the things on Earth, as Paul taught in Rom. 1:20, then we have a right to believe that there are in Heaven the same kind of things that we have on Earth. We have no right to make an exception of any good thing that God created and intended for man to have before the fall. Several natural men have gone to Heaven and have come back or will later come back. They are Enoch (Gen.5:22; Heb. 11:5), Elijah (2 Kings 2), Paul (2 Cor. 12:1-4), and John (Rev. 4:1). The first two of these men are still in Heaven living a natural life and will come back as the two witnesses of Zech. 4:11-14; Rev. 11:3-13).

Enoch has been in Heaven over 5,142 years and Elijah has been there over 3,500 years and they are still eating, drinking, and enjoying life on the planet Heaven. If we will understand such statements made above as literal, then the doctrin of the Heavenly world will no longer be a mystery.

[HAZARD]

Jesus said He was going to Heaven to prepare a place for us. He said that where He was going there were many mansions.

MANSIONS, " In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you" (John 14:1-3).

HEAVEN IS THE CAPITOL OF THE UNIVERSE, for God has His capital city, the New Jerusalem, His capital building, the Heavenly Temple or Tabernacle, and His throne in the Temple in Heaven. This city is described by John in Rev.21-22. This capital city will continue to be in Heaven until the end of the Millenium and then it will be moved from the planet Heaven to the planet Earth (Rev.21:2, 9-21). Many Scriptures speak of God's throne being in Heaven. (Ps. 103:19; Rev.4:1-2). That God has a real temple in Heaven is clear from Rev.4-5; 11:19; 14:17; 16:17.

HEAVEN IS INHABITED (! Kings 22:19; 2 Chron. 18:18; Matt.18:10; 22:30; 24:36; Rev. 12:12; 13:6). Armies and hosts of Heaven are mentioned an number of times as seen in these passages and in Dan. 4:35; Luke 2:13; Rev. 19:14. These inhabitants are listed in part as common angels, archangels, seraphim, cherubim and other spirit beings. Heavenly bodies are mentioned in 1 Cor. 15:48-49. Rejocing in Heaven is referred to by the inhabitants in Heaven (Ps. 96:11; 148:1, 4; Isa.44:23; Rev. 12:12). 8. Paul speaks of "the invisible things" in Heaven as being like the visible things on Earth; that is the things in Heaven are just like the things on Earth. (Rom. 1:20). The word "things" is used in many passages in referring to realities in Heaven. (Phil. 2:10; Col 1:16-20; Heb. 8:12; 9:23). We know from Scripture that in Heaven there are Cities (Rev.21).

There are also trees, rivers (Rev.22:1-3), fountains of water (Rev. 7:17), food (Ex.16:4; Ps.78:25: 105:40; John 6:31-51: Luke 22:16, 18, 30; Rev. 2:7, 17: 19:1-10; 22:1-3), animals (2 Kings 2:11-12; 6:13-17; Zech. 1:8-11: 6:1-8; Rev. 19:11-14, 21: Rom. 1:20), altar, tongs (Isa.6:6), fire and coals (Isa. 6:6; Rev.8:5) censer and incense (Rev. 8:4-6), smoke (Rev. 8:4; 15:8), musical instruments (Rev. 5:8; 14:1-5; 15:2-4), clothes (Dan. 7:9; Rev. 1:13; 6:9-11), stones (Rev. 2:17), books (Rev. 3:5; 5:1-7; 10:1-11; 20:11-15).

Also mentioned in Scripture are, vials or bowls, crowns, thunderings, lightnings, clouds, lamps, a sea of glass, singing, worship, palm trees, temples, silence, so there must also be noise at other times, trumpets, hail, mountains, keys and chains, measuring sticks, olive trees, the ark of the testament, doors, posts, girdles, pearls, diamonds and other precious stones, walls, gates, gold in abundance, streets, fruits, banquets, and many other inumerable things. If the invisible things in the heavenlies are clearly seen by the things on Earth, as Paul taught in Rom. 1:20, then we have a right to believe that there are in Heaven the same kind of things that we have on Earth. We have no right to make an exception of any good thing that God created and intended for man to have before the fall. Several natural men have gone to Heaven and have come back or will later come back. They are Enoch (Gen.5:22; Heb. 11:5), Elijah (2 Kings 2), Paul (2 Cor. 12:1-4), and John (Rev. 4:1). The first two of these men are still in Heaven living a natural life and will come back as the two witnesses of Zech. 4:11-14; Rev. 11:3-13).

Enoch has been in Heaven over 5,142 years and Elijah has been there over 3,500 years and they are still eating, drinking, and enjoying life on the planet Heaven. If we will understand such statements made above as literal, then the doctrin of the Heavenly world will no longer be a mystery.

Heavenis where Christ is. heaven is where we will be with Him. The many above Scriptures show s that Heaven is a real and as literal as is the earth.

[OneLight]

Jesus said He was going to Heaven to prepare a place for us. He said that where He was going there were many mansions.

MANSIONS, " In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you" (John 14:1-3).

HEAVEN IS THE CAPITOL OF THE UNIVERSE, for God has His capital city, the New Jerusalem, His capital building, the Heavenly Temple or Tabernacle, and His throne in the Temple in Heaven. This city is described by John in Rev.21-22. This capital city will continue to be in Heaven until the end of the Millenium and then it will be moved from the planet Heaven to the planet Earth (Rev.21:2, 9-21). Many Scriptures speak of God's throne being in Heaven. (Ps. 103:19; Rev.4:1-2). That God has a real temple in Heaven is clear from Rev.4-5; 11:19; 14:17; 16:17.

HEAVEN IS INHABITED (! Kings 22:19; 2 Chron. 18:18; Matt.18:10; 22:30; 24:36; Rev. 12:12; 13:6). Armies and hosts of Heaven are mentioned an number of times as seen in these passages and in Dan. 4:35; Luke 2:13; Rev. 19:14. These inhabitants are listed in part as common angels, archangels, seraphim, cherubim and other spirit beings. Heavenly bodies are mentioned in 1 Cor. 15:48-49. Rejocing in Heaven is referred to by the inhabitants in Heaven (Ps. 96:11; 148:1, 4; Isa.44:23; Rev. 12:12). 8. Paul speaks of "the invisible things" in Heaven as being like the visible things on Earth; that is the things in Heaven are just like the things on Earth. (Rom. 1:20). The word "things" is used in many passages in referring to realities in Heaven. (Phil. 2:10; Col 1:16-20; Heb. 8:12; 9:23). We know from Scripture that in Heaven there are Cities (Rev.21).

There are also trees, rivers (Rev.22:1-3), fountains of water (Rev. 7:17), food (Ex.16:4; Ps.78:25: 105:40; John 6:31-51: Luke 22:16, 18, 30; Rev. 2:7, 17: 19:1-10; 22:1-3), animals (2 Kings 2:11-12; 6:13-17; Zech. 1:8-11: 6:1-8; Rev. 19:11-14, 21: Rom. 1:20), altar, tongs (Isa.6:6), fire and coals (Isa. 6:6; Rev.8:5) censer and incense (Rev. 8:4-6), smoke (Rev. 8:4; 15:8), musical instruments (Rev. 5:8; 14:1-5; 15:2-4), clothes (Dan. 7:9; Rev. 1:13; 6:9-11), stones (Rev. 2:17), books (Rev. 3:5; 5:1-7; 10:1-11; 20:11-15).

Also mentioned in Scripture are, vials or bowls, crowns, thunderings, lightnings, clouds, lamps, a sea of glass, singing, worship, palm trees, temples, silence, so there must also be noise at other times, trumpets, hail, mountains, keys and chains, measuring sticks, olive trees, the ark of the testament, doors, posts, girdles, pearls, diamonds and other precious stones, walls, gates, gold in abundance, streets, fruits, banquets, and many other inumerable things. If the invisible things in the heavenlies are clearly seen by the things on Earth, as Paul taught in Rom. 1:20, then we have a right to believe that there are in Heaven the same kind of things that we have on Earth. We have no right to make an exception of any good thing that God created and intended for man to have before the fall. Several natural men have gone to Heaven and have come back or will later come back. They are Enoch (Gen.5:22; Heb. 11:5), Elijah (2 Kings 2), Paul (2 Cor. 12:1-4), and John (Rev. 4:1). The first two of these men are still in Heaven living a natural life and will come back as the two witnesses of Zech. 4:11-14; Rev. 11:3-13).

Enoch has been in Heaven over 5,142 years and Elijah has been there over 3,500 years and they are still eating, drinking, and enjoying life on the planet Heaven. If we will understand such statements made above as literal, then the doctrin of the Heavenly world will no longer be a mystery.

Heavenis where Christ is. heaven is where we will be with Him. The many above Scriptures show s that Heaven is a real and as literal as is the earth.

Planet heaven ... never heard anyone say this but the Mormons who claim God was a human and lives on the planet Kolob, as Joseph Smith wrote in the Book of Abraham.

[HAZARD]

Hi Onelight.

Forget the Mormons and any other religious sect. Its "what is written," and what Jesus said that matters regarding the heavens and the Earth.

Forget the word planet if it doesnt suit you. Its just a word.Gather all the scriptures provided in the above two posts and see how similar both Heaven and the Earth are. In Hebrews it is stated, "But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city." (Hebrews 11:16). The disciples called heaven a "better country" than the one they were in. Country, planet, who cares what its called. It does exist and its as real as the ground you and I are standing upon right now.

Its not dissimilar to us being created in the "Image and likeness of God." There is nothing pretend or maybe about God, His children,(us), and His creation. Its all there, its real, all we need do is look up.

Is there life out there in the vast endless universe? Scripture says there is. "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." (Rev. 12:12).

Rejoice YE, (plural), Heavens, (Plural), and Ye that dwell in Them, (Plural).