"Miranda warning" for the Pledge of Allegience

[amor]

I think he said, "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." But I'm not sure.

I was merely pointing out that the pledge originated as an attempt to make the USA a little more Socialist.

[Guest Butero]

Whilst not a great fan of flag worship, the veneration of the nation state, or for of forcing small children to participate in absurd rituals before getting down to serious study, I am amused by the idea of all you proud right-wingers here runing to the defence of the words of Comrade Francis Allen, Baptist pastor and socialist. Do you not fear that you yourselves have been subtely subverted by repeated childhood recitation ofthis leftist propaganda, and should henceforth commit yourself to save the little conservatives of the future being similarly led astray by defending them from the obligation to repeat it themselves?

I pledge allegance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

No, this pledge promotes patriotism and nationalism, and this right-winger is for both.

By the way, I also support a Constitutional Amendment to make burning of the American flag illegal.

[amor]

Whilst not a great fan of flag worship, the veneration of the nation state, or for of forcing small children to participate in absurd rituals before getting down to serious study, I am amused by the idea of all you proud right-wingers here runing to the defence of the words of Comrade Francis Allen, Baptist pastor and socialist. Do you not fear that you yourselves have been subtely subverted by repeated childhood recitation ofthis leftist propaganda, and should henceforth commit yourself to save the little conservatives of the future being similarly led astray by defending them from the obligation to repeat it themselves?

I pledge allegance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

No, this pledge promotes patriotism and nationalism, and this right-winger is for both.

By the way, I also support a Constitutional Amendment to make burning of the American flag illegal.

So no freedom to burn flags if you don't like them. I've always considered this saluting and venerating of bits of coloured cloth absurdly idolotrous, a borrowing from the Roman religious traditions. It's nothing I would ever consider doing and I'd encourage others not to do so either.

[Guest Butero]

Whilst not a great fan of flag worship, the veneration of the nation state, or for of forcing small children to participate in absurd rituals before getting down to serious study, I am amused by the idea of all you proud right-wingers here runing to the defence of the words of Comrade Francis Allen, Baptist pastor and socialist. Do you not fear that you yourselves have been subtely subverted by repeated childhood recitation ofthis leftist propaganda, and should henceforth commit yourself to save the little conservatives of the future being similarly led astray by defending them from the obligation to repeat it themselves?

I pledge allegance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

No, this pledge promotes patriotism and nationalism, and this right-winger is for both.

By the way, I also support a Constitutional Amendment to make burning of the American flag illegal.

So no freedom to burn flags if you don't like them. I've always considered this saluting and venerating of bits of coloured cloth absurdly idolotrous, a borrowing from the Roman religious traditions. It's nothing I would ever consider doing and I'd encourage others not to do so either.

I don't know. Soldiers salute one another. Hebrews 13:24 tells us to salute those who have the rule over us and there are many other references to salute men. If you can salute men and that is not idolatry, I believe you can salute a flag without guilt. If you take it a step further and bow down and worship the flag and pray to it as some kind of god, that would be idolatry.

It is funny the things liberal do take exception to? They will support wickedness like abortion, yet are worried about someone saluting a flag?

[MorningGlory]

It is funny the things liberal do take exception to? They will support wickedness like abortion, yet are worried about someone saluting a flag?

Upside down thinking.

[Rick-Parker]

God save the Queen!

[MorningGlory]

God save the Queen!

Yes; nice lady there.

[amor]

Whilst not a great fan of flag worship, the veneration of the nation state, or for of forcing small children to participate in absurd rituals before getting down to serious study, I am amused by the idea of all you proud right-wingers here runing to the defence of the words of Comrade Francis Allen, Baptist pastor and socialist. Do you not fear that you yourselves have been subtely subverted by repeated childhood recitation ofthis leftist propaganda, and should henceforth commit yourself to save the little conservatives of the future being similarly led astray by defending them from the obligation to repeat it themselves?

Seeing as how you're not American, you've really no frame of reference. You're so backwards on this subject that you really shouldn't comment. No one in the U.S. is forced to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. And it was NOT written by Francis Allen. The writer of the Pledge was Francis Bellamy.

Yes, Bellamy, not too sure where I got Allen from. Anyway a good Christian socialist. Forced or not it's still a pseudoreligious ritual, something I'm not too keen on, despite my enthusiasm for Christian Socialism

[OneLight]

I suppose a little history for those who have not look it up yet is in order ... from usHistory.org.

The Pledge of Allegiance

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Section 4 of the Flag Code states:

The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.", should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute."

What we know today as the Pledge of Allegiance is not what was written by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy. The original was the base of what we have today, and it was congress in 1954 that made it a "rule" to stand and salute the flag while quoting the pledge.

[MorningGlory]

I suppose a little history for those who have not look it up yet is in order ... from usHistory.org.

The Pledge of Allegiance

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Section 4 of the Flag Code states:

The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.", should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute."

What we know today as the Pledge of Allegiance is not what was written by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy. The original was the base of what we have today, and it was congress in 1954 that made it a "rule" to stand and salute the flag while quoting the pledge.

Thanks for the update. Now, if non-Americans will just stop trying to tell us what we do, mean, think, or remember.....everything will be fine. I, for one, NEVER get the urge to preach to the citizens of other countries about how wrong they are.