Ohio gov. wants Rifqa Bary back with her family

[nebula]

I know how facebook works. I also know that facebook (and myspace) are a huge resource for online predators.

I still am not understanding why you are convinced the pastors are predators. Can you prove they lured her? Can you prove they have done her harm?

Anyone with a tad of common sense sets their facebook to not accept minor's as friends. If you do accept minors as friends...give minors your phone number...facilitate the runaway of a minor...and hide a minor from state and federal authorities during a manhunt...thats an issue.

What would you do if a 17-year old came to you asking to save her life?

Really, if what you are saying is true, the police or somebody would have prosecuted them by now, wouldn't they?

According to the Pastors...she asked for their phone number at some point during their year long friendship. And like any adult who meets a minor on the internet, they thought it was okay to do that...

I interact with teens all the time.

[nebula]

I am NOT standing against Christians.

Are you standing against the two pastors, against them, or are you being neutral towards them?

This is what I am not getting.

I am standing against people who are not willing to defend the Constitutional rights of the parents who have done NOTHING wrong and have no evidence against them.

1. Are the parents American citizens?

2. How would you feel if Rifqa is returned to Ohio and in less than a year is found dead? Are you willing to risk this?

I can't help but imagine that you would all be on my side in this thing if it was a Christian family who lost their daughter to some Muslim group, or fundamentalist Mormon group, or was tucked away in some Scientologist compound...

Only if there was a reason to believe the girl's life was threatened by staying at home. But if that were the case, I'd be wondering if the family were Christians.

You see, the issue isn't about a Christian running away from her Muslim parents. It's a girl who has reason to believe her life is in danger.

I don't understand why you do not believe this.

[Axxman]

I still am not understanding why you are convinced the pastors are predators. Can you prove they lured her? Can you prove they have done her harm?

Thats actually a fair point. I think that I am more in the "Which looks worse" phase. There are just so many things that the pastors did (and are doing) that raise red flags to me. I just can't imagine how anybody is looking past that. The more I hear about this pastor "friend" in Ohio...that doesn't look too rosy either. The actions of these people fits a very common profile...but I will admit that just because you fit a the profile doesn't make you guilty.

What would you do if a 17-year old came to you asking to save her life?

Really, if what you are saying is true, the police or somebody would have prosecuted them by now, wouldn't they?

Well...I wouldn't help a female minor run away from home in the middle of the night and hide her from authorities for a couple of weeks. I would probably call the local authorities if I was that concerned about it. But midnight phone calls...30 hour busrides...hiding from federal authorities for two weeks...doesn't make sense.

Florida has not revealed the extent of their investigation into the Lorenz's. I would like to thhink that they are pouring through emails, phone records, and online chats to make sure that they did not break the law. Unfortunately...we will never know what transpired for the three weeks that they hid this girl. We also know that they are not allowed to contact her at all.

I interact with teens all the time.

So what would one of these teens have to do to convince you to help them runaway from home and hide them from federal law enforcement? You ever give these kids your home telephone number? They call you in the middle of the night? Would you help them hide from police for a couple of weeks?

I don't know about you...but as an adult male... I cannot imagine anything as disruptive to my life as hooking up with a 16 yr old girl on the internet and doing everything this couple did. No normal person with a grain of common sense would do what they did...imo.

[nikki1]

Blessings, Axxman

Thats almost as fair as me posting every person who claimed to be a christian, who murdered someone...and saying they did it because they are christians. Believe it or not...but domestic violence, murder, even child molestation happens in the muslim community too.

Except for one big difference...

Honor killings are not heard of in Christianity. An honor killing is committed against an apostate of islam for religious reasons and because of dishonoring the name of their satanic god allah and converting to Christianity.

which is what this thread is about that you seem to keep on twisting because you are totally oblivious to the teachings of islam.... an honor killing in islam has nothing to do with domestic violence, murder and child molestation.

Just so ya know...i am not laughing at the situation. I am laughing at the things you keep saying.

Just so you know, there is no need to clarify as it is very clear what you are laughing at by what you have previously written.

You make personal statements and talk like you are the only one who knows anything.] I can either make light of it...or I can let it make me angry. I'm just trying to react lightly to your insults.

I talk like I know everything? I'm just going by what the Qu'ran and acclaimed experts, and the evidence of multitudes of honor killings of apostates who leave islam shows, which you cannot refute, compared to your made up claims without evidence. Facts are not insults. Give me some facts instead of tripe that can either be refuted or not.

My "politically correct agenda" has actually more to do with right vs. wrong

Then I would suggest you looks at the facts in this case, and quit distorting them, look at all the evidence presented by the experts in islam, look at all the honor killing evidence of apostates who leave islam for dishonoring "allah", and read the Qu'ran instead of discarding all of the evidence.

or the belief that people are innocent until proven guilty?

Yeah, right, everyone except the pastor who took in Rifqa, and Rifqa herself.

but I can't help but side with the Consitution on this one. Although it is easy to jump on the bandwagon that judges people by the color of their skin and their beliefs...not!

O, so you do side with the Constitution on this one.... Except when it's about Rifqa, who fears for her very life and whose right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness is being taken away, by a satanic ideology, her life is in serious danger according to Rifqa hereself and all of the experts on islam and her personal writings from her computer and diary were seized by her father, and with the assistance of CAIR, given to the Orlando Sentinal and are being printed for the world to read. She has no Bill of Rights and her fourth amendment is being seriously violated.

You do judge people by their beliefs, except when they believe as you do, and you have proven it here by your own words.

Nikki

[Axxman]

Are you standing against the two pastors, against them, or are you being neutral towards them?

This is what I am not getting.

Well, I am definitely against their actions...for sure. I am NOT against them as Christians...but i am also not going to stand up and blindly support people who do ridiculous (and possibly illegal) things ...just because they are Christians. Lots of Christians have done some bad things...it doesn't mean we are against "Christians" when we call them out for it.

How would you feel if Rifqa is returned to Ohio and in less than a year is found dead? Are you willing to risk this?

I think someone else already answered this. Nothing can happen to Rifqa without God allowing it. This girl is a little firecracker for Jesus and i think she's great. I am not afraid for her life...and I am not afraid of muslims. Extremist Muslims are NOT more powerful than the God that is in the girl.

Only if there was a reason to believe the girl's life was threatened by staying at home. But if that were the case, I'd be wondering if the family were Christians.

You see, the issue isn't about a Christian running away from her Muslim parents. It's a girl who has reason to believe her life is in danger.

I don't understand why you do not believe this.

So...you believe that parents who may abuse or harm their child might not be "real" Christians...but ALL Muslims are murderers? Christians can be weak (or bad)...but Muslims....those guys are devout. That just doesn't add up. Worse yet...it makes Christians look less faithful and strong than muslims.

I don't believe it because the evidence doesn't support it. I know that demonizing all muslims is fun and all...but it is not reality. There are good muslims. Your average muslims don't think of ways to kill Christians. They are HORRIBLY wrong when it comes to spiritual matters...but it doesn't make them all martyrs and murderers in waiting. Then again...I'm guessing that hanging out with muslims in Palestine is different than hanging out with them in Colorado. (I've never been to Palestine.)

[ColleenLovesMischief]

1. Are the parents American citizens?

Not the last time I checked.

Rifqa Bary is a non-citizen whose parents are from Sri Lanka. Source

Newest article concerning the pastor and his wife who funded the trip, and gave her their phone number.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/faith...ifqq_Bary_speak

[ColleenLovesMischief]

Here is also the most recent story locally, and the links throughout the whole ordeal including when she came up missing.

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/sto...story_bary.html

[irishcowboy]

A Lie! There is no way that they can provide such protection unless they themselves remove her from the family and provide her a safe house to live in. They can not be with her 24/7/365 as they would like people to believe. I would not trust anyone who made such a promise.

exactly, being they are not U.S. Citizens, and it has already been said that they will try to take her out of country, what has been said is true, a death sentence for the young lady.......

Father God, strengthen her, give her the peace and comfort that only you can give. Empower her with Your Holy Spirit to with stand anything that will come to her life.... Teach us to be strong and courageous as she is, to stand fast with You and Your Love. We know these times are not going to be easy, from now until we all reside with You.... forever....

Thankyou Lord

[Axxman]

1. Are the parents American citizens?

Not the last time I checked.

Rifqa Bary is a non-citizen whose parents are from Sri Lanka. Source

Newest article concerning the pastor and his wife who funded the trip, and gave her their phone number.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/faith...ifqq_Bary_speak

Thanks Colleen....unfortunately I can't verify the info in that blog. Interesting though...I can't seem to find ANY concrete evidence of citizenship either way...looking....

That was also a very insightful FOX news piece on the pastors...thanks for sharing it.

[nebula]

Well, I am definitely against their actions...for sure. I am NOT against them as Christians...but i am also not going to stand up and blindly support people who do ridiculous (and possibly illegal) things ...just because they are Christians. Lots of Christians have done some bad things...it doesn't mean we are against "Christians" when we call them out for it.

Well, I hope the other article addressed this for you - that she was concerned about the girl's life, as pastors they help people, and that she called a lawyer.

So...you believe that parents who may abuse or harm their child might not be "real" Christians...

Hold - woah! That isn't what I said.

I said if her life was threatened - not if she was being abused. You do know the difference - right?

but ALL Muslims are murderers?

I didn't say that either.

I don't believe it because the evidence doesn't support it.

But what would constitute evidence for you? How could the police dig up words that were spoken and actions taken that were not recorded?

And if the father truly had threatened the life of his daughter, do you believe he'd be honest about it to the police? Or do you have info that states he was put through a lie detector test?

I know that demonizing all muslims is fun and all...but it is not reality.

Fun? Do you believe I'm having fun?

I am deeply, deeply troubled by this. . . . so much so that a coworker tonight kept asking me what was wrong.

There are good muslims.

And this isn't about "good" Muslims vs "bad" Muslims. This is about a different world view.

Your average muslims don't think of ways to kill Christians.

From the things I have heard reported, there's a difference between a "Christian" and someone who converted from Islam to something else. A Muslim turned Buddhist would be in just as much trouble.

They are HORRIBLY wrong when it comes to spiritual matters...but it doesn't make them all martyrs and murderers in waiting. Then again...I'm guessing that hanging out with muslims in Palestine is different than hanging out with them in Colorado. (I've never been to Palestine.)

Well, first of all we are talking about the Ohio Muslim population (did you hear about how huge that mosque is? ), not the Colorado nor Palestinian population of Muslims.

Second, why don't you ask these Muslims you hang with how they regard a Muslim who rejects Islam and converts to another religion?

Edited September 18, 2009 by nebula