Women in Church

[JCISGD]

When Paul uses nature as an example its difficult see how the cultural arguement stacks up.

I used to think that head coverings and the whole submissive wife thing strange and dead, but now seeing the amount of women in church showing cleavage to point of embarrassment, i think the fruit of women pastors is proving wrong.

Also men are not made to respond to the pitch of the female voice when being instructive, this is why so many women complain their husband doesnt listen. If they used their sexy voice as in dating they would get his attention and results quicker by far.

The bible is clear women are not to be leaders/teachers/pastors of men, but it also says they (the older women) are to teach the younger.

[Guest adamanto2007]

Let me know your take on this:

1 Corinthians 14:34-35:

Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husband at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.

If this is the truth, why are women allowed as pastors?

for the same reason certain faiths allow openly gay pastors they do not follow scripture which means they never knew the true god theyre worship was a lie i hope that helps

[~Shalhevet~]

When Paul uses nature as an example its difficult see how the cultural arguement stacks up.

I used to think that head coverings and the whole submissive wife thing strange and dead, but now seeing the amount of women in church showing cleavage to point of embarrassment, i think the fruit of women pastors is proving wrong.

Also men are not made to respond to the pitch of the female voice when being instructive, this is why so many women complain their husband doesnt listen. If they used their sexy voice as in dating they would get his attention and results quicker by far.

The bible is clear women are not to be leaders/teachers/pastors of men, but it also says they (the older women) are to teach the younger.

I agree with you, as always.

[Fez]

When Paul uses nature as an example its difficult see how the cultural arguement stacks up.

I used to think that head coverings and the whole submissive wife thing strange and dead, but now seeing the amount of women in church showing cleavage to point of embarrassment, i think the fruit of women pastors is proving wrong.

Also men are not made to respond to the pitch of the female voice when being instructive, this is why so many women complain their husband doesnt listen. If they used their sexy voice as in dating they would get his attention and results quicker by far.

The bible is clear women are not to be leaders/teachers/pastors of men, but it also says they (the older women) are to teach the younger.

I agree with you, as always.

I don't know so much, we have women give lessons in church from time to time, and when some of them talk, you know it is spirit driven, and I LISTEN! It is either from the spirit or it is not, and one very quickly discerns that during a lesson, it does not matter if it is from a male or a female.

[irishcowboy]

Let me know your take on this:

1 Corinthians 14:34-35:

Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husband at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.

If this is the truth, why are women allowed as pastors?

why even allow them to be sunday school teachers, or nursery workers or allow them to be in the choir, or even let them be greeters or speak at all??

with this type of thinking, they should not even speak at all.... this would also mean they are not allowed to hold public office, or vote for those seeking public office, or teach grade school, middle school or high school or even college...... how many women have you sat under for learning????? being there are almost no men teaching grade school or even middle school now days, mostly women, how many??? same principle stands.....

you see in Timothy that Paul is saying to Timothy that he should not learn from a woman (mostly because women of the time were not the educated ones, it was the men that were educated....so how could a person learn from some one that has not been taught?

the same person that wrote this was also ministered to by Phoebe and Priscilla and listened to them....

we have to look at what was going on in the Church at Corinth, there was no order, and Paul was letting them know they needed order, not confusion. it was ( I believe ) a church where anything and everything went and the leader had basically lost control over (what we call) the service.

we also know that men and women usually did intermingle during social gatherings as was the custom... even up into the 1900's in some Jewish communities the men and women were separated during public events....

can you imagine what it might have been like to have the women on one side of the room, or around the wall of the room trying to find out what the person speaking was trying to convey to the audience? the men would either be seated in the center and the women around the perimeter or men on one side and women on the other......

I really do not believe that the women were trying to be disrespectful, I believe they were HUNGRY AND WANTED TO KNOW WHAT EVERYTHING MEANT....

It was not only the women being disruptive, but it appears to be others as well,

that is why (I believe) Paul told them that let one or two prophecy, and let one or two give a word,and let one or two....... so forth and so on, then... move on with the service..... he was giving a method for carrying on with the service rather then denouncing women (per sea)....

you can also read where it says............ AS THE LAW ALSO SAYS ...........

which law? who's law?

in the United States, we do not have such a law..... IN FACT, we are not allowed, by the law, to discriminate for a job because of race, creed, colour, gender, religious background, so forth and so on..... The Law says women can speak, women can vote, women can hold office..... as the law also says.....

if a group chooses not to allow a certain person to hold a certain office, that is their belief and should not start condemning others for doing what is lawful....

mike

[OneLight]

I learned a while ago that men were the only ones who were taught scripture and they taught the rest of the family. Because of this, the women would be asking questions of the men during the meetings in church. Since they sat in a different area, they had to ask with a loud voice so their husbands could hear them, interrupting the services. For this reason, Paul told them to be quiet and ask their husbands at home.

At the same time, men were considered the head of the household. This is the reason why women could not be a leader over men.

So, take a look at the families of today and compare them to the families back then, and ask yourself which had more honor and which worked better for all the family? Also, take a look at the church today and the church back then and ask which is working more in His will? Look where man has brought us ...

It is men who have allowed both to diminish by walking out of Gods word and into the PC world. There is no argument that can change history or the facts. Our families have never been so sad and our churches have never been out of His will so far. One can definitely try and justify our positions and rationalize why we are as we are, but the truth will remain the truth and a lie a lie, no matter how pretty it is painted.

[exrockstar]

Let me know your take on this:

1 Corinthians 14:34-35:

Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husband at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.

If this is the truth, why are women allowed as pastors?

they aren't allowed. however, if you believe in end-times, people accept the lie as truth.

[agodsend]

Let me know your take on this:

1 Corinthians 14:34-35:

Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husband at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.

If this is the truth, why are women allowed as pastors?

When Paul wrote this there was a situation going on and the wives wanted to get answers to their questions. Bible scholars have documented the fact that bizarre Gnostic heresies were circulating throughout the region at that time and these false teaching posed a serious threat to the infant Christian churches that were starting. Certain cultic worship practices involving female priestesses of the Greek fertility goddess, Diana, had invaded the church of that day. Also take into account that in the Greek and Middle Eastern culture during the first century, women did not have educational opportunities, and in fact it was considered disgraceful for them to learn. What Paul wanted was for the learned to speak. Women needed to learn from their husbands. Not blurt out questions during the time in the tabernacle.

[agodsend]

When Paul uses nature as an example its difficult see how the cultural arguement stacks up.

I used to think that head coverings and the whole submissive wife thing strange and dead, but now seeing the amount of women in church showing cleavage to point of embarrassment, i think the fruit of women pastors is proving wrong.

Also men are not made to respond to the pitch of the female voice when being instructive, this is why so many women complain their husband doesnt listen. If they used their sexy voice as in dating they would get his attention and results quicker by far.

The bible is clear women are not to be leaders/teachers/pastors of men, but it also says they (the older women) are to teach the younger.

I would like to know what scriptures you are using that make the bible "clear" about women teaching men.

[~Shalhevet~]

So, take a look at the families of today and compare them to the families back then, and ask yourself which had more honor and which worked better for all the family? Also, take a look at the church today and the church back then and ask which is working more in His will? Look where man has brought us ...

With this reasoning, would it be fair to say that in "today's world" it is okay to be gay as well? Is it okay for people to murder because these are different times?

I dont' understand how Christians think they can pick-n-choose which scriptures they want to go by and which "don't apply" anymore. If we had this same attitude regarding all of the scriptures, imagine how chaotic Christianity would be? If we promote people to pick-n-choose, what does that say about the future of Christianity?

To me, with this reasoning, or shall I say unreasoning, the entire Bible is moot.