DOES IT HAVE TO BE ASTROLOGY AND PAGAN?

[MorningGlory]

....ok! I can't help but wonder, what is your point? =) preach the cross!

Lord Jesus is risen!

He is risen indeed!

[lekh l'kha]

D. James Kennedy did a study on this whilst he was still amongst us. It was enlightening. I too have the Gospel in the Stars and it's a good read, but very meaty,

Remember at one point in time, all of Adam's sons worshipped the Most High God and used the stars to tell of seasons and events, Cain or one of his descendants was probably the first to pervert the teaching, If I had to guess anyone in particular, I'd say Nimroud bar Cush (Nimrod), although it might have come earlier.

Could be that when the sons of Seth intermarried with the daughters of Cain, they turned to the false worship of Cain's descendants, and that after the flood, Nimrod (whose name means rebel? or something like that, I believe) led people to revert back to the idolatrous worship of the descendants of Cain.... from what I've read the ancient Egyptian worship of Isis and Osiris stretches back further than the flood....

but now I'm really speculating....

D. James Kennedy was the one who taught me how to share the gospel with others (not him, personally, but the program he started and which was taken to many countries of the world).

[lekh l'kha]

Well, when the symbol for the Virgin holds an olive branch - which means fertility,

And when there's a symbol of a warrior crushing the head of the scorpion while the scorpion is bruising the warrior's heel . . .

You gotta think that maybe there's something to this.

True. I actually have a copy of "The Witness of the Stars" by E.W Bullinger. I couldn't study it in detail though. But he provides enough evidence. It's fascinating - especially the way he shows how the four sides of the camp of the Israelites in the wilderness equally divide the Zodiac at its four cardinal points, with the tribe of Levi situated at the centre (the Scales, or Libra, as it is known today); and the four great signs (standards) of the Israelite camps (and the four quarters of the Zodiac), are the same four which form the Cherubim (the Eagle, the Scorpion's enemy, being substituted for the Scorpion).

He also goes into detail about the structure of Psalm 19, and shows how it refers to "the testimony of the heavens".

lekh

Its called astrotheology, its a fascinating study and topic. Jordan Maxwell even though he confesses to believe in a 'higher power and is spiritual' has a great study on this subject I sure you could find it by googling him. I do think that the stars were placed to tell the story before written words and perhaps after the flood Noah sat with his sons and family and told the story from the stars. Who knows?!

I've just had a look at the teachings of the astrotheologists that you referred to above. It's way off, and definitely not what I'm referring to in this thread, or what E.W Bullinger refers to.

[mizzdy]

Well, when the symbol for the Virgin holds an olive branch - which means fertility,

And when there's a symbol of a warrior crushing the head of the scorpion while the scorpion is bruising the warrior's heel . . .

You gotta think that maybe there's something to this.

True. I actually have a copy of "The Witness of the Stars" by E.W Bullinger. I couldn't study it in detail though. But he provides enough evidence. It's fascinating - especially the way he shows how the four sides of the camp of the Israelites in the wilderness equally divide the Zodiac at its four cardinal points, with the tribe of Levi situated at the centre (the Scales, or Libra, as it is known today); and the four great signs (standards) of the Israelite camps (and the four quarters of the Zodiac), are the same four which form the Cherubim (the Eagle, the Scorpion's enemy, being substituted for the Scorpion).

He also goes into detail about the structure of Psalm 19, and shows how it refers to "the testimony of the heavens".

lekh

Its called astrotheology, its a fascinating study and topic. Jordan Maxwell even though he confesses to believe in a 'higher power and is spiritual' has a great study on this subject I sure you could find it by googling him. I do think that the stars were placed to tell the story before written words and perhaps after the flood Noah sat with his sons and family and told the story from the stars. Who knows?!

I've just had a look at the teachings of the astrotheologists that you referred to above. It's way off, and definitely not what I'm referring to in this thread, or what E.W Bullinger refers to.

Bullinger looks thorugh scriptures Maxwell doesn't or well he does through his own opinions of them. I never said he was a christian thinker just that he believes in a higher power and is spiritual, the way one views scriptures is how they will view astrotheology. I think Maxwell has some of the same understandings of Bullinger, who I have read, but yes there are differences just as there is differences in many peoples theologies.

[Openly Curious]

'Bold Believer' date='Oct 21 2009,

D. James Kennedy did a study on this whilst he was still amongst us. It was enlightening. I too have the Gospel in the Stars and it's a good read, but very meaty,

Remember at one point in time, all of Adam's sons worshipped the Most High God and used the stars to tell of seasons and events, Cain or one of his descendants was probably the first to pervert the teaching, If I had to guess anyone in particular, I'd say Nimroud bar Cush (Nimrod), although it might have come earlier.

The "awe" of God is amazing to amazing to where I can't take it all in. We try to wrap our minds trying to see how they lived back in those days living in tents. I think that this is the point your trying to make correct me if I'm wrong. The most mind boggling(I'm not sure if that is the right word or not) but it is the story in the book of........

Luke 2:8-20 if you can wrap your thoughts around those shepherds who was out there at night tending their sheep what they "saw" up under the stars that night was awesome the awe of God no doubt.

They is nothing wrong with reading a good book and we can preach the cross just as well

oc

[lekh l'kha]

Well, when the symbol for the Virgin holds an olive branch - which means fertility,

And when there's a symbol of a warrior crushing the head of the scorpion while the scorpion is bruising the warrior's heel . . .

You gotta think that maybe there's something to this.

True. I actually have a copy of "The Witness of the Stars" by E.W Bullinger. I couldn't study it in detail though. But he provides enough evidence. It's fascinating - especially the way he shows how the four sides of the camp of the Israelites in the wilderness equally divide the Zodiac at its four cardinal points, with the tribe of Levi situated at the centre (the Scales, or Libra, as it is known today); and the four great signs (standards) of the Israelite camps (and the four quarters of the Zodiac), are the same four which form the Cherubim (the Eagle, the Scorpion's enemy, being substituted for the Scorpion).

He also goes into detail about the structure of Psalm 19, and shows how it refers to "the testimony of the heavens".

lekh

Its called astrotheology, its a fascinating study and topic. Jordan Maxwell even though he confesses to believe in a 'higher power and is spiritual' has a great study on this subject I sure you could find it by googling him. I do think that the stars were placed to tell the story before written words and perhaps after the flood Noah sat with his sons and family and told the story from the stars. Who knows?!

I've just had a look at the teachings of the astrotheologists that you referred to above. It's way off, and definitely not what I'm referring to in this thread, or what E.W Bullinger refers to.

Bullinger looks thorugh scriptures Maxwell doesn't or well he does through his own opinions of them. I never said he was a christian thinker just that he believes in a higher power and is spiritual, the way one views scriptures is how they will view astrotheology. I think Maxwell has some of the same understandings of Bullinger, who I have read, but yes there are differences just as there is differences in many peoples theologies.

Thanks, mizzdy. I know you have discernment I just had to put in my "disclaimer" with regard to Maxwell and "astrotheology", just in case any newbie reading this thinks I believe in it. I had to make a distinction between what I'm talking about (and E.W Bullinger) and what Maxwell talks about. I never knew about Maxwell and "astrotheology" before you made me aware of it, by the way!

Lekh