Faith AND Science

[rpfan76]

Name me something you take on faith that science proves.

[OneLight]

I always felt that science goes along with the Bible when science isn't corrupted.

Even though I understand what you are trying to say, keep in mind that those who have no faith may not be corrupting science, but are great scientist in their fields. What I am trying to do in the thread is discuss what we have in common and not what we disagree on. There are a lot of threads that are dedicated to the differences.

Science is often used to try to disprove God but that has never worked and never will....science exists because of God, as a way to understand His awesome Creation. I personally don't think faith and science are mutually exclusive.

Why do you say this? I am sure that not all what scientist believe can be mutually exclusive with faith, but some can. Look at the heavens. Through science we can see the beauty of His creation. Through science we can see some of the mysteries of our body. Not all of science is against God.

Uh...that's what I said. I don't think that science and faith are mutually exclusive.

Oh yeah ... sorry.

[OneLight]

Great thread OneL I hope it stays on track.

I see faith and science as totally compatable. Science seeks to discover the physical laws and properties by which our world was created and operates. Faith (at least in part) gives God honour and worship and praise for being the creator and author of this world.

One thing that I do agree with the scientists on, is that God does not belong in any scientific hypothesis, in any shape or form. You cannot measure or observe the influence of God in the physical world. I can, with all faith and with all academic honesty, attribute the wonderful physical laws and properties to an all powerful God, and praise Him as such, but yet leave Him out of a hypothesis. I think this is the source of much frustration in creation v's evolution debates. "God did it" is not a valid scientific hypothesis. This does work both ways, so "God did not do it" is also not a valid hypothesis nor conclusion.

(I haven't had my morning coffee yet today so my apologies if this is as clear as mud.)

Science is a wonderful tool to examine more closely the wonder of the world that God has created for us .

Rom 1:20 (ESV)

For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Well, to me Andy, science and God cannot be divided. It is not like you can have one without the other. Everything about science comes from God; what they see and test; their being themselves, are all due to God. God is everywhere and in everything they deal with.

I completely agree with you last statement, even if you had not had your first cup of java or not!

[rpfan76]

Name me something you take on faith that science proves.

Science doesn't "prove" things.

affirm?

[MorningGlory]

I always felt that science goes along with the Bible when science isn't corrupted.

Even though I understand what you are trying to say, keep in mind that those who have no faith may not be corrupting science, but are great scientist in their fields. What I am trying to do in the thread is discuss what we have in common and not what we disagree on. There are a lot of threads that are dedicated to the differences.

Science is often used to try to disprove God but that has never worked and never will....science exists because of God, as a way to understand His awesome Creation. I personally don't think faith and science are mutually exclusive.

Why do you say this? I am sure that not all what scientist believe can be mutually exclusive with faith, but some can. Look at the heavens. Through science we can see the beauty of His creation. Through science we can see some of the mysteries of our body. Not all of science is against God.

Uh...that's what I said. I don't think that science and faith are mutually exclusive.

Oh yeah ... sorry.

[Guest]

.... As I see it, science, like any other tool, can be used for good or for bad. I do not see where science has to come against God or that God ever came against science. I do, however, see how some do take science to try to deny God and that God does come against some uses of science. Let me explain. Making a weapon that will destroy life would be something that God would not be in favor of, yet He would be delighted in the fact that we can view His creation is both outward reaches of space and inward parts of creation ....

Amen

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Matthew 24:21-22

Trust Man

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Jeremiah 17:5

Or Truth Jesus

Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.

Jeremiah 17:7

[e lansing]

I think science can be used to prove things and events in the Bible but I'm not sure science and faith are compatable. Faith is a belief in things that can't be proven. For example the Resurrection can't be proven but we know it's true because of our faith. Science will never agree with this because it can't be proven. That's not to say all science is against faith but the science that fights our faith is corrupt.

the Resurrection is recorded history. BC.AD. Its not just a story, its factual. If it was not, then none of us are saved!

[e lansing]

Name me something you take on faith that science proves.

Consider this, Job 26:7, the oldest book in the bible, Job ststed that the earth hangs on nothing. Science has proven that that nothing that Job was talking about we know now as gravity. Job knew this brfore electricity was discovered. Jobs faith and science proved him true in his statement!

[e lansing]

I like what yeddy said. I think that science is useful and has help us understand a lot. I think that the only true relationship between faith and science is that science will continue to confirm the truthfulness of the Bible. True science continues to disprove a lot of there own theories and in that they continue to confirm the truthfulness of the Bible. like what? like there fossil record. Still no fossils that show one life form changeing into another. The fossil record just shows Stasis and suddeen appesrance. As evolution supposes, all life forms had a common ancestors and chains of intermediates linking those ancestors, the fossil record should overflow with many such intermediate forms between species. But there has not! I dont know why they still call it a theory This fossil record seems to confirm the account of Genesis.

[rpfan76]

Name me something you take on faith that science proves.

Consider this, Job 26:7, the oldest book in the bible, Job ststed that the earth hangs on nothing. Science has proven that that nothing that Job was talking about we know now as gravity. Job knew this brfore electricity was discovered. Jobs faith and science proved him true in his statement!

Do you take those ideas on faith? Job may have taken it on faith, but you don't because we now, through experimentation and practice, know it as fact. I think the point I was trying to make in earlier posts was that once "knowledge" is gained through science, faith in that particular idea, is no longer needed. To me science is "knowledge gained". Maybe it should say Faith vs. Theory.