Christianity and psychedelics

[humbleseeker]

One thing I know is I withdrew or fell away from Christ for a period of time and knew that the drugs I was doing was wrong and I would try to justify it by saying things like, pot is natural if God created it wouldnt he have a purpose. In fact it has many usefull purposes, and I am not totally against medical use. The problem and most dangerous accpect of pot although alone I beleieve is the least harmfull of illicit drugs. It lies in the underworld, the world of crime. I know if you know the man that can sell you pot long enough then you can easily find the man to by any other drug that you want. simple pot led me into regular cocaine use, extacy, shrooms, lsd, and even herion. All from knwing the people that could get me pot. Its a gateway into the criminal world and is dangerous. If your on her Nox just to play around, You are playing with your own fire know we one who are warning you are not going to get burned from you. You could easily burn yourself I was brought out of that mess. Lord knows I could and should write a book. God knows your heart. Sometimes if you never it a hard rock then you never relize you need to get up and change your direction. Maybe you have never had some of the consequences happen to you that others have. Be carefull, Jesus is the only way.

[OneLight]

Nox has not been back since the OP. Not really sure is Nox will return or not ...

[Believer1997]

Nox has not been back since the OP. Not really sure is Nox will return or not ...

Well... he seems to have quite a few other activities that keep him busy...

[JCISGD]

Jot, Believer and MG it is not right to assign motives to Nox, you do not know his heart only God does. Scripturally we are to ask others what their motive is, preferring to be wronged rather take another to court.

Arthur,

I do not see them condemning this person at all, or trying to see the heart of Nox. Can you give specifics?

What I do see is calling sin a sin and using scripture to do so. Are we not told ...

James 5:19-20 (New King James Version)

Bring Back the Erring One

Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (New King James Version)

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Ever wonder about the name nox? Nox is slang for Nitrous Oxide, a gas that is used to get high.

"I believe you are just getting off trying to go as deep and dirty as you can"

This is quoted from Jot and Believer and MG gave a Amen to it.

I am not defending Nox`s position or lifestyle but when is it Christian to throw around accusations. Even so Jot did say "I believe" I objected to the assigning of motives.

I havent assigned any motive to Jot,B and BG i have only reproved them for their wrong treatment of another.

If Im wrong to do so may the LORD judge me, as I know He will.

[lekh l'kha]

nox did come back 3 times after the OP. This was the 3rd time:

But in many ways I feel more "sober" on cannabis...

Then I might suggest to you that this is evidence of something more physiological than spiritual. Have you ever been checked for chemical imbalance?

No I don't have the habit of going in to get my brain state checked

You misunderstand me. What I mean is that it gives me a clear headedness and insight into things that aren't achievable in a normal state of mind.

I'm not trying to say I KNOW I'm right here, I really don't, which is why I'm wondering what others' opinions are.

For me it's kinda like the same thing as masturbation (terrible comparison I know!) which is never condemned in the bible, yet is often paired with lust (but doesn't HAVE to be)

BTW: while I'm at it, what is the difference between pure sexual desire and lust? Is there a difference?

Sorry to go off on a tangent but don't feel like creating another whole thread.

Anyway, nox if you read this I just want to say that if it's an experience produced by drugs, then it's not produced by the Holy Spirit. And if it's an experience produced by the Holy Spirit, then it's not produced by drugs. And faith is a lot more than experience. Paul didn't often have a good experience:

"... ... in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft. Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one... Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness." (2Co 11:23-27).

"For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life: But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:" (2Co 1:8-9).

Faith isn't about good experiences of... fill in the dots. It's about being committed to something we believe (the gospel) and to someone we believe in (Jesus); and we believe BECAUSE we know it (the gospel) is true and He is true; and we believe BECAUSE the Holy Spirit is in us, bearing testimony. But the "experience" of out faith can be bad while we are still in this body more often than it is good - we shouldn't try to change our experience using drugs. It is Christ who gives us His peace that passes all understanding through all our bad experiences, if we rely only on HIM and on nothing else (not even cannabis).

Lekh

[Believer1997]

Jot, Believer and MG it is not right to assign motives to Nox, you do not know his heart only God does. Scripturally we are to ask others what their motive is, preferring to be wronged rather take another to court.

Arthur,

I do not see them condemning this person at all, or trying to see the heart of Nox. Can you give specifics?

What I do see is calling sin a sin and using scripture to do so. Are we not told ...

James 5:19-20 (New King James Version)

Bring Back the Erring One

Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (New King James Version)

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Ever wonder about the name nox? Nox is slang for Nitrous Oxide, a gas that is used to get high.

"I believe you are just getting off trying to go as deep and dirty as you can"

This is quoted from Jot and Believer and MG gave a Amen to it.

I am not defending Nox`s position or lifestyle but when is it Christian to throw around accusations. Even so Jot did say "I believe" I objected to the assigning of motives.

I havent assigned any motive to Jot,B and BG i have only reproved them for their wrong treatment of another.

If Im wrong to do so may the LORD judge me, as I know He will.

Yes.... He will judge us all. Now... if you are so inclined to read the entire thread - perhaps you can grasp that Nox brought up comments and subjects which inspired the response from me and other posters. I will again say "Amen" to Jot's comment and if you are unable to understand that - then perhaps you need to study the thread a bit longer and be careful of the reproves you issue to others as well....

Matthew 7:3

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

[JCISGD]

Jot, Believer and MG it is not right to assign motives to Nox, you do not know his heart only God does. Scripturally we are to ask others what their motive is, preferring to be wronged rather take another to court.

I have no idea what you are referring to - no one has assigned motives to anyone - we've only responded to what Nox has stated. You seem to have this maligned sense of persecution of either yourself or others .... just a thought - perhaps you should examine your own motives.

"I believe you are just getting off trying to go as deep and dirty as you can"

- Jotful

Perhaps you should be more careful what you say Amen to? I know my motives but I do not know yours, nether have I assigned any motive for what you say, but it is wrong to accuse Nox or anyone of motive.

Now you are assigning motive to me. Is it so hard to ask me why I have said what I did? Im sorry if it hurts to be publically reproved but my motives are pure.

[Believer1997]

Jot, Believer and MG it is not right to assign motives to Nox, you do not know his heart only God does. Scripturally we are to ask others what their motive is, preferring to be wronged rather take another to court.

I have no idea what you are referring to - no one has assigned motives to anyone - we've only responded to what Nox has stated. You seem to have this maligned sense of persecution of either yourself or others .... just a thought - perhaps you should examine your own motives.

"I believe you are just getting off trying to go as deep and dirty as you can"

- Jotful

Perhaps you should be more careful what you say Amen to? I know my motives but I do not know yours, nether have I assigned any motive for what you say, but it is wrong to accuse Nox or anyone of motive.

Now you are assigning motive to me. Is it so hard to ask me why I have said what I did? Im sorry if it hurts to be publically reproved but my motives are pure.

Nothing - was ever said, written or done to "Nox" that required reproof.... But it seems that you are exceptionally adept and prompt reproving others... I have no idea whether your motives are pure or not - I believe G-d judges that.

[JCISGD]

Jot, Believer and MG it is not right to assign motives to Nox, you do not know his heart only God does. Scripturally we are to ask others what their motive is, preferring to be wronged rather take another to court.

I have no idea what you are referring to - no one has assigned motives to anyone - we've only responded to what Nox has stated. You seem to have this maligned sense of persecution of either yourself or others .... just a thought - perhaps you should examine your own motives.

"I believe you are just getting off trying to go as deep and dirty as you can"

- Jotful

Perhaps you should be more careful what you say Amen to? I know my motives but I do not know yours, nether have I assigned any motive for what you say, but it is wrong to accuse Nox or anyone of motive.

Now you are assigning motive to me. Is it so hard to ask me why I have said what I did? Im sorry if it hurts to be publically reproved but my motives are pure.

Nothing - was ever said, written or done to "Nox" that required reproof.... But it seems that you are exceptionally adept and prompt reproving others... I have no idea whether your motives are pure or not - I believe G-d judges that.

Believer I am sorry I come accross that way to you. I cannot understand why you think it ok to say Nox was "getting off trying to go as deep and dirty" but even if he was, surely we cannot know this unless he admits it.

Do not the rules of WF and the commands of Christ compel us to treat all people with respect? If Nox is deluded then he needs our sympathy.

Perhaps I am wrong as you say? it did appear to me to be an unloving and unchristian thing to say.

"Be cunning as serpents and gentle as doves"

Peace and love in Christ,

Arthur.

[Believer1997]

Jot, Believer and MG it is not right to assign motives to Nox, you do not know his heart only God does. Scripturally we are to ask others what their motive is, preferring to be wronged rather take another to court.

I have no idea what you are referring to - no one has assigned motives to anyone - we've only responded to what Nox has stated. You seem to have this maligned sense of persecution of either yourself or others .... just a thought - perhaps you should examine your own motives.

"I believe you are just getting off trying to go as deep and dirty as you can"

- Jotful

Perhaps you should be more careful what you say Amen to? I know my motives but I do not know yours, nether have I assigned any motive for what you say, but it is wrong to accuse Nox or anyone of motive.

Now you are assigning motive to me. Is it so hard to ask me why I have said what I did? Im sorry if it hurts to be publically reproved but my motives are pure.

Nothing - was ever said, written or done to "Nox" that required reproof.... But it seems that you are exceptionally adept and prompt reproving others... I have no idea whether your motives are pure or not - I believe G-d judges that.

Believer I am sorry I come accross that way to you. I cannot understand why you think it ok to say Nox was "getting off trying to go as deep and dirty" but even if he was, surely we cannot know this unless he admits it.

Do not the rules of WF and the commands of Christ compel us to treat all people with respect? If Nox is deluded then he needs our sympathy.

Perhaps I am wrong as you say? it did appear to me to be an unloving and unchristian thing to say.

"Be cunning as serpents and gentle as doves"

Peace and love in Christ,

Arthur.

Again - if you read the entire context of his comments on just about everything from his drug use to personal sexual gratification - he needed to be told what he was told. If you have further need to defend his behavior and comments - be my guest - but do not label me and others as unloving or unchristian when we are in disdain of crude comments.