The Real 'Expelled'

[MorningGlory]

How it all begins is the point! i would agree that once God created everything seen and unseen some evolutionistic process have transpired, but not with out the hand of God.

This kind of logic is always puzzling to me, why on earth would God need to constantly intervene in the development of life for things to be "Intelligently Designed"? God doesn't need to intervene to support the stable orbit & rotation of earth or the weather for them to work just fine. When computers were first invented they needed intervention all the time to keep them running, now we've gotten better at making them so that you barely ever have to intervene to keep your computer running properly (at least if you own a mac). Which one is more "intelligently designed"? The one that has to be constantly fixed or the one that fixes itself?

A Bible passage comes to mind Colossians 1:17 " He is before all things, and by Him ALL THINGS HOLD TOGETHER. KEY WORD HOLDS, present tence. i am comforted in this fact, the sicintific world can only discover what has always been, GOD AND HIS CREATION.

I'm not as sharp as some on topics such as evolution However I love to share my point of veiw regardless of what others think!

I think you'll find that being more informed on the point you are offering views on is extremely helpful.

INDEED!

My point is when they teach it as fact, not if evolution is true or not. When students are confused because of what they learn at school and what they learn at church thats a issue. When students continue to get the message that "science is the only way of gaining knowledge of reality and that the physical is all there is" life becomes pointless our existence is pointless, and the idea of God or some unseen being is hopelessly pointless.

Learning that science has consistently provided meaningful and applicable ways to understand the universe shouldn't at all conflict with a belief in God. Science is not taught as the "only" way of gaining knowledge, simply the most effective method by which natural phenomena can be understood.

UNDERSTANDING HOW THE UNIVERISE WORKS IS NOT THE ISSUE, HOW IT ALL STARTED IS THE ISSUE. BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN TAUGHT FOR YEARS AS FACT, IS A HUGE PROBLEM. I KNOW THAT ALLOWING EVERY THEORY TO BE TAUGHT IS UNREASONABLE, HOWEVER I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE PUT A NATIONAL VOTE AS TO WHAT THEORY SHOULD BE TAUGHT AS AN ALTERNITIVE TO EVOLUTION, WHATEVER THEORY GETS THE MOST VOTES FROM THE PEOPLE WINS! THEN LET THE PEOPLE MAKE UP THERE OWN MINDS

Students like the ones at Columbine act out toward those who do believe in God.

Are you under the impression that believers in God haven't acted out toward those who don't believe in God?

IT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TEACHING EVOLUTION AS FACT TO THE POINT OF ELIMINATING ANY POSSIBILITY OF ID OR GOD IS RECKLESS. YES PEOPLE HAVE ACTED OUT AGAINST THOSE WHO DONT BELIEVE IN GOD, BUT HERE IN 20TH CENTRY PEOPLE WHO ACT OUT BY KILLING OTHER PEOPLE CAN NOT BE CHRISTIANS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY CLAIM

Do you not see how freedom of speech is becoming more and more limited in the public arena for Christians by those in authority in the public arena?

Nope.

WHY WOULD AN ORGANIZATION SUCH A.C.L.J BE NEEDED TODAY?

But you believe that the teaching of evolution has in no way hurt the notion that there could be a God and the teaching of evolution has no negitive impact on our country.

I think a lot of people have constructed a conflict where none exists in order avoid some uncomfortable realizations about how the order of creation was carried out.

WHATS IS THIS "CONFLICT"? "INCOMFORTABLE REALIZATIONS" WHAT? I FEEL FINE! THE ORDER REALLY IS NOT THE ISSUE FOR ME. THE ISSUE FOR ME IS WHAT PEOPLE CLAIM AS TO HOW IT ALL BEGINS. THE REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT IS THAT PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO GIVE AN ACCOUNT TO GOD AND FOR THEM TO DIE BELIEVING THAT THERE IS NO GOD IS HORRIBLE.

If this were the case then why has there been such an increase of atheism in our Christian nation and if seperation of church and state were such a huge wall why did they allow the word "God " on so much goverment property?

Do you not see the irony in the above opposing claims?

NOPE

I read Godwins law, I'm not impressed. However, I never want to show disrespect for the Jewish nation and if you are Jewish please forgive me if I have offended you. With no disrespect to the Jewish nation, i still think my point still stands. I also find it intresting that today Christians may be the new Jew. I geuss I'm waiting to see when our goverment decides to make all religion unlawful in order to fight terrorism and provide a higher level of national security. Terrorism is another example of how sinister plots are started, they start in the heart and minds of people, in terms of what people believe and why they believe it. How do crazy people end up in positions of power? It does not happen over night!

I had a professor in a Sociology course once tell me that there is no "them" there is only "us". That is a worthwhile point to ponder. People get into power by getting voted in, they stay in power by not upsetting the political base that voted for them. The U.S. is overwhelmingly religious and yet you appear to be under the impression that both houses of congress would pass a bill that a president would sign and the supreme court would not strike down as unconstitutional making all religion unlawful? It might be beneficial to learn a little more about how our government works as well. Anyone can ask questions, only the few take the time to find answers.

Lurker

I'M NOT SURE I LIKE YOUR TONE! WHEN I WROTE WHAT I DID I WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT U.S. I KNOW HOW HOW OUR GOVERMENT WORKS BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU HAVE PUT YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND. A EXAMPLE WOULD BE GUN LAWS. LOOK AT WHERE THEY STARTED AND LOOK AT WHERE THEY ARE AT. IT WOULD BE A LOT WORSE IF PEOPLE DID NOT STAND UP TO THE GOVERMENT IN ORDER TO KEEP SOME OF THERE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. EVEN THOUGH YOU THINK MY POINT IS OUTLANDISH, ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS A.C.L.J ARE CONTINUALISLY FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHTS OF CHRISTIANS BECAUSE PEOPLE IN GOVERMENT WOULD NEVER INFRINGE ON OUR RIGHTS AS CHRISTIANS, RIGHT! I SINCE ANOTHER SINISTER PLOT

Okay, I give up. I've no idea what this post is about but it seems to have been written by several people or all mixed together....or something.

[RigMedic]

I wrote this down in a similar post but i think it fits here as well. What follows are several questions I pose to anyone who believes in Evolution.

1) Where did the space for the universe come from?

2) Where did matter come from?

3) Where did the laws of the universe come from? (gravity, inertia, etc.)

4) How did matter get so perfectly organized?

5) Where did the energy come from to do the organizing?

6) When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

7) When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

8) With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

9) Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce anymore of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

10) How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

11) Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

12) Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

13) When, where, why and how did:

a) Single celled plants become multi-celled? (Where are the two and three celled intermediates?)

b) Single celled animals evolve?

c) Fish change to amphibians?

d) Amphibians change to reptiles?

e) Reptiles change to birds? ( The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc, are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live?

14) When, where, why, and how and from what did:

a) Whales evolve?

b) Sea horses evolve?

c) Bats evolve?

d) Eyes evolve?

e) Ears evolve?

f) Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc, evolve?

15) Which evolved first (How and how long did it work without the others?)

a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body's resistance to it own digestive juices?

b) The drive to reproduce, or the ability to reproduce?

c) The lungs, the mucous linings to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture

of gases to be breathed into the lungs?

d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts?

e)The termite or the flagella in it's intestines that actually digest the cellulose?

f) The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants?

g) The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones?

h) The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system?

i) The immune system or need for it?

I could prove God statistically.

Take the human body alone.

The chance that all the functions of the individual

would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.

- George Gallup

Statistician

[e lansing]

A Bible passage comes to mind Colossians 1:17 " He is before all things, and by Him ALL THINGS HOLD TOGETHER. KEY WORD HOLDS, present tence.

So. . .you think God has to constantly interfere to keep the universe running smoothly? Jupiter alone has over 60 moons orbiting it, does God have to constantly interfere with each one to keep it going?

Either you believe that God can and does or you do not! i think it rether persumptuous for evolutionist to discover all that always been {God's handy work} then have the gall to declare it conclusively and then take credit as if they were gods and were there when He spoke it into existence and therefore think thay have the authority to teach it as they see fit!!!

e lansing

UNDERSTANDING HOW THE UNIVERISE WORKS IS NOT THE ISSUE, HOW IT ALL STARTED IS THE ISSUE. BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN TAUGHT FOR YEARS AS FACT, IS A HUGE PROBLEM. I KNOW THAT ALLOWING EVERY THEORY TO BE TAUGHT IS UNREASONABLE, HOWEVER I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE PUT A NATIONAL VOTE AS TO WHAT THEORY SHOULD BE TAUGHT AS AN ALTERNITIVE TO EVOLUTION, WHATEVER THEORY GETS THE MOST VOTES FROM THE PEOPLE WINS! THEN LET THE PEOPLE MAKE UP THERE OWN MINDS

If "how it all started" is the issue then you can stop talking about evolution and start talking about the big bang theory and/or abiogenesis. You can't be serious about your whole national vote thing, you seem to be of the opinion that being educated in a scientific field up to a professional level is a weakness rather than a strength. Sorry friend, the public is simply too uninformed to make such decisions, can you imagine the chaos of putting every point of curriculum to such votes? I'm willing to bet we'd be teaching faulty methods for solving long division within a year. Come on, we both know the only reason YE creationists resort to insane ideas like this is because they can't convince professionals so they try to take their message to laymen instead, it is a practice that preys upon ignorance which is, unfortunately, not in short supply.

So you look down on the rest of society, i'm not at all suprised! This attitude would not be there if evolution was not taught as fact. These "professionals" that you referred to have been drinking the cool-aid for a very long time and for them to even concider I.D as a possiblity is foolishness to them, therefore to teach it would be a sin to. I think that if they were to think I.D through it would lead to other issues that would destroy there world veiw and then the thought of haveing to acknowledge that they were wrong, to the them that would be unreasonable. beyound this i think that for them the thought of facing God is unthinkable so they fight tooth and nail to keep pumping there cool-aid, not for the sake of truth but rather self preservation. Psalms 14: 1 The fool has said in his heart there is no God.

e lansing

IT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TEACHING EVOLUTION AS FACT TO THE POINT OF ELIMINATING ANY POSSIBILITY OF ID OR GOD IS RECKLESS. YES PEOPLE HAVE ACTED OUT AGAINST THOSE WHO DONT BELIEVE IN GOD, BUT HERE IN 20TH CENTRY PEOPLE WHO ACT OUT BY KILLING OTHER PEOPLE CAN NOT BE CHRISTIANS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY CLAIM

Really? Someone cannot kill other people and remain a Christian? Can someone commit any sin and still be a Christian? If so where do you draw the line between sins you can commit and remain a Christian and sins that automatically kick you straight to atheism? Are you entirely sure this is the theological path you want to go down?

IS THIS WHAT HAPPEN TO YOU? WHAT CHRIST HAS DONE ON THE CROSS WAS TO PURCHASE PARDONS FOR ALL THOSE WHO WOULD PUT THERE FAITH IN JESUS. THIS MEANS THAT ONCE YOU HEAR HIS MASSAGE YOU HAVE TO DECIDE FOR YOUR SELF IT IS TRUE, IF YOU BELIEVE, THEN THIS CAUSES ONE TO RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO BE FORGIVEN AND THEN ASKS FOR FORGIVENESS. HOW DO WE KNOW IF WE HAVE PUT OUR FAITH IN JESUS? I'M SUPRISED AND GLAD YOU ASK. IN THE BOOK OF JAMES WE LEARN THAT "FAITH WITHOUT ACTION IS DEAD FAITH OR NOT FAITH AT ALL". OUR FAITH IN CHRIST IS REVEALED BY OUR CONDUCT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT I AM TRYING TO EARN MY SALVATION, BUT RATHER BECAUSE I AM SAVED I DO GOOD THINGS. I REALLY HAVE BEEN CHANGE BY THE POWER OF THE GOSPEL, SCRIPTURE CONFIRMS THAT I HAVE A NEW NATURE. I AM A SINNER BECAUSE I AM HUMAN BUT BECAUSE OF MY NEW NATURE I HAVE THE POWER TO LIVE ABOVE MY OLD NATURE BUT IF I CHOSE TO LIVE IN MY OLD NATURE AND DIE IN THAT STATE HELL WILL BE MY REALITY. I WOULD LOVE TO TALK THEOLOGY WITH YOU

e lansing

WHY WOULD AN ORGANIZATION SUCH A.C.L.J BE NEEDED TODAY?

Really? The mere existence of an organization is proof of it's necessity? Have you thought this through to it's logical conclusion? After all there are a lot of really weird organizations out there, is the fact of their existence proof of the veracity of their claims (you should be thinking of things like the KKK right about now)?

O.K!!!!! SO I GUESS ALL THER WORK HAS BEEN DONE IN FAKE COURTS WITH FAKE PEOPLE, FAKE ISSUES, RIGHT!!! SO A POLICE FORCE IN UNNECESSARY BECAUSE WE DONT HAVE CRIME? RIGHT!!!! REMEMBER THA LAW "CAUSE AND EFFECT? ITS ALL I'M SAYING

e lansing

I'M NOT SURE I LIKE YOUR TONE! WHEN I WROTE WHAT I DID I WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT U.S. I KNOW HOW HOW OUR GOVERMENT WORKS BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU HAVE PUT YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND. A EXAMPLE WOULD BE GUN LAWS. LOOK AT WHERE THEY STARTED AND LOOK AT WHERE THEY ARE AT. IT WOULD BE A LOT WORSE IF PEOPLE DID NOT STAND UP TO THE GOVERMENT IN ORDER TO KEEP SOME OF THERE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. EVEN THOUGH YOU THINK MY POINT IS OUTLANDISH, ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS A.C.L.J ARE CONTINUALISLY FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHTS OF CHRISTIANS BECAUSE PEOPLE IN GOVERMENT WOULD NEVER INFRINGE ON OUR RIGHTS AS CHRISTIANS, RIGHT! I SINCE ANOTHER SINISTER PLOT

I can't figure out what you're trying to say here. . .something about sand and now gun control. . .it just gets too convoluted. Perhaps you could rephrase?

Lurker

EVERYTHING IS QUITE CLEAR!

e lansing

[e lansing]

Either you believe that God can and does or you do not! i think it rether persumptuous for evolutionist to discover all that always been {God's handy work} then have the gall to declare it conclusively and then take credit as if they were gods and were there when He spoke it into existence and therefore think thay have the authority to teach it as they see fit!!!

e lansing

I certainly don't think God intervenes into the natural world to keep all 60 of Jupiter's moons orbits stable, that's what gravity does. The rest of your post simple doesn't make any sense.

INTERVENE IS NOT WHAT I HAD IN MIND, MORE LIKE SUSTAINING, HIS PRESENTS FILLS THE EARTH AND THE UNIVERSE

e lansing

So you look down on the rest of society, i'm not at all suprised!

Hooray for you then, you'll have to pardon my strong opinion that education has real and measurable value. I tend to have a somewhat closed mind on such issues since they're, you know, grounded in reality. When I was a roofer I looked down on non-professionals who thought they knew anything about metal roofing as well. This has to do with professionalism rather than evolution.

I WOULD AGREE THAT YOU HAVE A CLOSED MIND, BASED ON THE FACT THAT YOU SEEM TO ONLY BELIEVE WHAT SCIENCE DECLARES AS TRUE REALITY. THE ONLY TRUE REALITY IS WHAT WE CAN SEE, RIGHT! SO BECAUSE YOU ARE A PROFESSIONAL YOU KNOW ALL THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR SKILL, YOU ARE god OF YOUR SKILL! I GEUSS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HUGE PRIDE PROBLEM IN ORDER TO BE A PROFESSIONAL, IS THAT WHAT YOUR SAYING? WOW! I DO NOT HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, [FUNNY HOW YOU LIKE TO LUMP IT ALL TOGETHER], IT'S WITH HOW THEY TEACH EVOLUTION.

e lansing

This attitude would not be there if evolution was not taught as fact.

Really? You're under the impression that framers would not object to having building codes subject to popular vote?

TEACHING ONE TO BE A FRAMER IS ONE THING, HOW YOU TEACH IS ANOTHER. THERE ARE MORE THEN ONE WAY TO BUILD A HOUSE.

e lansing

These "professionals" that you referred to have been drinking the cool-aid for a very long time and for them to even concider I.D as a possiblity is foolishness to them, therefore to teach it would be a sin to.

Actually that's professionals without quotations as these are actual professional scientists. For them to consider I.D. as a scientific theory I.D. needs to propose a testable hypothesis. Are you aware of one?

NOT AT THE MOMENT, WHAT I DO SEE IS A LOT OF HOLES IN EVOLUTION THEORY

e lansing

WHAT CHRIST HAS DONE ON THE CROSS WAS TO PURCHASE PARDONS FOR ALL THOSE WHO WOULD PUT THERE FAITH IN JESUS. THIS MEANS THAT ONCE YOU HEAR HIS MASSAGE YOU HAVE TO DECIDE FOR YOUR SELF IT IS TRUE, IF YOU BELIEVE, THEN THIS CAUSES ONE TO RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO BE FORGIVEN AND THEN ASKS FOR FORGIVENESS. HOW DO WE KNOW IF WE HAVE PUT OUR FAITH IN JESUS? I'M SUPRISED AND GLAD YOU ASK. IN THE BOOK OF JAMES WE LEARN THAT "FAITH WITHOUT ACTION IS DEAD FAITH OR NOT FAITH AT ALL". OUR FAITH IN CHRIST IS REVEALED BY OUR CONDUCT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT I AM TRYING TO EARN MY SALVATION, BUT RATHER BECAUSE I AM SAVED I DO GOOD THINGS. I REALLY HAVE BEEN CHANGE BY THE POWER OF THE GOSPEL, SCRIPTURE CONFIRMS THAT I HAVE A NEW NATURE. I AM A SINNER BECAUSE I AM HUMAN BUT BECAUSE OF MY NEW NATURE I HAVE THE POWER TO LIVE ABOVE MY OLD NATURE BUT IF I CHOSE TO LIVE IN MY OLD NATURE AND DIE IN THAT STATE HELL WILL BE MY REALITY. I WOULD LOVE TO TALK THEOLOGY WITH YOU

Whew, I almost got lost in all that theological fluff. I asked a fairly straightforward question, I don't see why you feel the need to respond with the above all caps paragraph that doesn't actually answer it. No, I did not ask how you know if you have put your faith in Jesus, I asked where you are suddenly drawing the line between sins that cost us our salvation and sins that do not.

ALL SIN WILL COST US AT SOME POINT. AS CHRISTIANS WE DON'T LOSE OUR SALVATION BECAUSE WE SIN, WE ARE SINNERS BY NATURE, AND WE ARE FORGVEN FROM OUR CRIMES/SINS AGAINST GOD BY HIS GRACE AND MERCY IF WE SO CHOSE TO RECEIVE IT BY PUTTING OUR FAITH IN HIM. THE SIN THAT COST US OUR SALVATION IS THE SIN OF TURNING FROM OR REJECTING JESUS AS SAVIOUR. WHEN WE STOP BELIEVING IN HIM WE STOP LIVING FOR HIM AND IF WE STOP LIVING FOR HIM IT PROVES THAT WE PROBLEY NEVER BELONG TO HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

e lansing

O.K!!!!! SO I GUESS ALL THER WORK HAS BEEN DONE IN FAKE COURTS WITH FAKE PEOPLE, FAKE ISSUES, RIGHT!!! SO A POLICE FORCE IN UNNECESSARY BECAUSE WE DONT HAVE CRIME? RIGHT!!!! REMEMBER THA LAW "CAUSE AND EFFECT? ITS ALL I'M SAYING

Again with the caps lock abuse, seriously dude the shift key use the SHIFT key. Again, your logic that an organization is legitimate simply because it exists is extremely flawed. I highly suggest you think it through a little more.

CAUSE AND EFFECT THE NEED IS WHAT MAKES THEM LEGIT. WE MAY NOT AGREE AS TO WHY THEY EXIST BUT OUR DISAGREEMENT DOES NOT MAKE IT ILLEGITMATE

e lansing

EVERYTHING IS QUITE CLEAR!

Perhaps to you. . .but isn't the point of posting to make what you think clear to others?

I'M NOT SURE IF ITS CLAREITY OR JUST DISAGREEMENT

e lansing

Lurker

[Babbler]

God came down to Earth and met with some scientists. The scientists argued that they could create life as he. God said 'I'll take that bet."

The scientists said , "Your on."

So God picked up a handful of dirt and blew into it and out came a man. It was the scientists turn. They picked up a handfull of dirt and began heading toward their Lab.

God said, "Wait a minute."

The scientists stopped and said, "What?"

God replied, "Get your own dirt."

[Guest]

And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

Luke 11:2

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.... I had a professor in a Sociology course once tell me that there is no "them" there is only "us". That is a worthwhile point to ponder. People get into power by getting voted in, they stay in power by not upsetting the political base that voted for them. The U.S. is overwhelmingly religious and yet you appear to be under the impression that both houses of congress would pass a bill that a president would sign and the supreme court would not strike down as unconstitutional making all religion unlawful? It might be beneficial to learn a little more about how our government works as well. Anyone can ask questions, only the few take the time to find answers ....

Yes

"He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth."

Luke 11:23

Answers From Truth

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Ephesians 6:12

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One Government

"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD."

Jeremiah 17:5

Or The Other

"Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is."

Jeremiah 17:7

Your Choice

"Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."

John 8:34-36

Be Wise

"The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

John 3:35-36

Guy

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Praying!

"Pray without ceasing." 1 Thessalonians 5:17

Love, Joe

[RigMedic]

God came down to Earth and met with some scientists. The scientists argued that they could create life as he. God said 'I'll take that bet."

The scientists said , "Your on."

So God picked up a handful of dirt and blew into it and out came a man. It was the scientists turn. They picked up a handfull of dirt and began heading toward their Lab.

God said, "Wait a minute."

The scientists stopped and said, "What?"

God replied, "Get your own dirt."

[e lansing]

And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

Luke 11:2

>>>>>()<<<<<

.... I had a professor in a Sociology course once tell me that there is no "them" there is only "us". That is a worthwhile point to ponder. People get into power by getting voted in, they stay in power by not upsetting the political base that voted for them. The U.S. is overwhelmingly religious and yet you appear to be under the impression that both houses of congress would pass a bill that a president would sign and the supreme court would not strike down as unconstitutional making all religion unlawful? It might be beneficial to learn a little more about how our government works as well. Anyone can ask questions, only the few take the time to find answers ....

Yes

"He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth."

Luke 11:23

Answers From Truth

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Ephesians 6:12

>>>>>()<<<<<

One Government

"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD."

Jeremiah 17:5

Or The Other

"Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is."

Jeremiah 17:7

Your Choice

"Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."

John 8:34-36

Be Wise

"The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

John 3:35-36

Guy

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Praying!

"Pray without ceasing." 1 Thessalonians 5:17

Love, Joe

love it!

[e lansing]

And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

Luke 11:2

>>>>>()<<<<<

.... I had a professor in a Sociology course once tell me that there is no "them" there is only "us". That is a worthwhile point to ponder. People get into power by getting voted in, they stay in power by not upsetting the political base that voted for them. The U.S. is overwhelmingly religious and yet you appear to be under the impression that both houses of congress would pass a bill that a president would sign and the supreme court would not strike down as unconstitutional making all religion unlawful? It might be beneficial to learn a little more about how our government works as well. Anyone can ask questions, only the few take the time to find answers ....

Yes

"He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth."

Luke 11:23

Answers From Truth

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Ephesians 6:12

>>>>>()<<<<<

One Government

"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD."

Jeremiah 17:5

Or The Other

"Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is."

Jeremiah 17:7

Your Choice

"Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."

John 8:34-36

Be Wise

"The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

John 3:35-36

Guy

>>>>>()<<<<<

Praying!

"Pray without ceasing." 1 Thessalonians 5:17

Love, Joe

love it

[e lansing]

God came down to Earth and met with some scientists. The scientists argued that they could create life as he. God said 'I'll take that bet."

The scientists said , "Your on."

So God picked up a handful of dirt and blew into it and out came a man. It was the scientists turn. They picked up a handfull of dirt and began heading toward their Lab.

God said, "Wait a minute."

The scientists stopped and said, "What?"

God replied, "Get your own dirt."

i wonder why mr lurker has not responded to this yet? maybe its not legit to him and therefore it should not be there, hum!