How do we live by the Spirit?

[nebula]

How do you understand the Scriptures when the say the Spirit "fell on" someone?

[Permie]

I recalled some scripture today in reference to Seeker's claim that Jesus is in everyone, to which I agree as I have stated, but would instead say Christ i.e the Spirit is.

Sorry, but I'm confused by the wording of your sentence.

Are you saying Jesus is not "Christ"? ("Jesus . . . but would instead say Christ i.e the Spirit")

No. Jesus is The Christ. The word Christian used to mean "little christ", but of course language usage changes through time.

Christ comes from the Greek christos as you probably already know and means anointed, or the anointed one.

Jesus is The Christ, our High Priest and Lord: equal to God. Jesus said to follow Him, which the apostles explain: so that we could be transformed into His image.

27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

When I read this, the impression I get is that he is speaking and referring to Christians, not non-Christians.

Yes, I can understand that reasoning. That is why I also posted the verses as written in another version:

The mystery in a nutshell is just this: Christ is in you, so therefore you can look forward to sharing in God's glory. It's that simple. That is the substance of our Message.

Another reason for posting another version is because Peter tells us that Paul is hard to understand.

"The mystery" is referred to several times, but not as explicitly or explained as it is here.

Btw, nebula, I don't know if you had seen it or not, but I replied to you several pages back. There were quite a few posts being made at the time between Seeker and HisGirl, so it might have easily been missed.

Edited January 23, 2010 by Permie

[Permie]

How do you understand the Scriptures when the say the Spirit "fell on" someone?

Let's pick something to describe. Oh, how about a rose. A rose has fragrance. A rose it has petals. It has thorns. All three of those qualities are true of a rose. Each in isolation is true of a rose. Christos also has qualities, one of which is as stated in those scriptures and also another quality of Christos is the anointing as said previously.

[Permie]

I recalled some scripture today in reference to Seeker's claim that Jesus is in everyone, to which I agree as I have stated, but would instead say Christ i.e the Spirit is.

Sorry, but I'm confused by the wording of your sentence.

Are you saying Jesus is not "Christ"? ("Jesus . . . but would instead say Christ i.e the Spirit")

27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

When I read this, the impression I get is that he is speaking and referring to Christians, not non-Christians.

Just a couple of thoughts, if I may.

The Scriptures explain that the Spirit of God is everywhere, even in the depths of Sheol. So He must be in us in some sense, for this to be true.

Also the Scriptures explain that all things are held together by Him. This also seems to give the impression that in some sense He is everywhere and actively involved.

Also it is written that He stands at the door and knocks and if anyone will hear His voice He will come into them and eat with them. If this is so, then anyone as in everyone must be able to hear His voice.

It seems to me that believer's (that is Christians in the true since of the word) are those that because they believe that He is there, listen to Him. A non-believer would then be someone that does not believe in an omni-present being called God, so even though He maybe talking to them, they are not aware of it because of there disbelief.

So Christian's are those that hear the word of God spoken to them and believe it is God. Isn't this why Abraham was considered righteous? It was not only that he hear the word of the Lord, but also believed that it was the Lord.

Also another comment: Another poster felt that we could not see Christ in unbelievers. This is not what I have experienced. There have been times in my life when someone I know doesn't believe in the Lord has suddenly said something in which I recognized as the voice of the Lord. In the same way, there have been times when those I know are believer's suddenly say something I know is evil.

Remember that Jesus recongized the voice of Satan coming through Peter. Also, consider what happen when the lady told Jesus that even a dog eats the scraps from the masters table. God teaches us in parables, so where did this lady get that little parable? I think Jesus clearly recongized the voice of the Spirit of God coming through this Samaritain lady.

Very well said, CBE1. Couldn't agree more.

[nebula]

How do you understand the Scriptures when the say the Spirit "fell on" someone?

Let's pick something to describe. Oh, how about a rose. A rose has fragrance. A rose it has petals. It has thorns. All three of those qualities are true of a rose. Each in isolation is true of a rose. Christos also has qualities, one of which is as stated in those scriptures and also another quality of Christos is the anointing as said previously.

I do not understand you point with the question.

If the Spirit is "in" a person, how then can the Spirit "fall on" a person?

[OneLight]

When Paul was writing to the Colossians, he was addressing the body of Christ. When he mentioned "Christ in you", the you were believers who had accepted Christ, not the unsaved. The mystery is the imparting of the Holy Spirit into believers.

[nebula]

Christ comes from the Greek christos as you probably already know and means anointed, or the anointed one.

Which is Messiah - mashiach - in Hebrew - the true origin of the word.

Jesus is The Christ, our High Priest and Lord

This does not explain why you worded the sentence - that you would say "Christ" rather than "Jesus."

What's the difference in saying "Christ" versus "Jesus"?

[OneLight]

A site about the Message Bible. You should really know what you are reading ... http://www.seekgod.ca/msgdoctrine2.htm

[CBE1]

How do you understand the Scriptures when the say the Spirit "fell on" someone?

Let's pick something to describe. Oh, how about a rose. A rose has fragrance. A rose it has petals. It has thorns. All three of those qualities are true of a rose. Each in isolation is true of a rose. Christos also has qualities, one of which is as stated in those scriptures and also another quality of Christos is the anointing as said previously.

I do not understand you point with the question.

If the Spirit is "in" a person, how then can the Spirit "fall on" a person?

We sometimes use the phrase "to fall on" in a sense to confront or attack. I do believe the Spirit is always around us, how else can we justify the omni-present nature of God if it is otherwise, yet I also think there are times He falls on us, maybe even like a thief in the night.

Edited January 23, 2010 by CBE1

[nebula]

When Paul was writing to the Colossians, he was addressing the body of Christ. When he mentioned "Christ in you", the you were believers who had accepted Christ, not the unsaved. The mystery is the imparting of the Holy Spirit into believers.

Right - that's what I meant.