No thread on Pat Robertsons dumb Haiti comment?

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Logically if one makes a pact with the Devil he can expect to incur the wrath of God.....right?

To me it's just splitting hairs. I am convinced that Robertson intended his viewing audience to conclude that Haiti and its people were cursed by God. Does the Devil curse people?

And yes, why bring it up at all?

No that is not what he said, and I can feel confident in saying that is not what he meant.

Consider:

Deut. 27

13 "For the curse, these shall stand on Mount Ebal : Reuben, Gad, Asher, Zebulun, Dan, and Naphtali. 14 "The Levites shall then answer and say to all the men of Israel with a loud voice, 15 'Cursed is the man who makes an idol or a molten image, an abomination to the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and sets it up in secret.' And all the people shall answer and say, 'Amen.' 16 'Cursed is he who dishonors his father or mother.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.' 17 'Cursed is he who moves his neighbor's boundary mark.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.' 18 'Cursed is he who misleads a blind person on the road.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.' 19 'Cursed is he who distorts the justice due an alien, orphan, and widow.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.' 20 'Cursed is he who lies with his father's wife, because he has uncovered his father's skirt.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.' 21 'Cursed is he who lies with any animal.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.' 22 'Cursed is he who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or of his mother.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.' 23 'Cursed is he who lies with his mother-in-law.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.' 24 'Cursed is he who strikes his neighbor in secret.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.' 25 'Cursed is he who accepts a bribe to strike down an innocent person.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.' 26 'Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.'

Would you not say that the nation of Israel put itself under a curse for having done these things spoken against here?

By Pat's understanding of the supposed pact with the devil, if it had happened as he believed, would that have not put a curse on the land?

Even without the pact, how could all that voodoo Haiti is known for not have a damaging affect on the nation, on the land?

Does the principle of reaping what is sown not applied?

** This isn't to say they deserved the misery. It's pointing out A + B = C.

Consider: if Haiti had a better infrastructure, would the earthquake have caused as much devestation as it did?

I was watching O'Reilly last night, and it was mentioned that millions of money had been poured into Haiti in the past decade - where did all that money go? (No one knows!)

Is it outside of your theology to admit that such incredible corruption might have its roots in the spiritual darkness of the land - if not by the supposed curse, but by the saturation of the voodoo practices?

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This is not the first time he's put his foot into his mouth - probably won't be the last.

Do members of the media watch his show just waiting for this to happen?

I'm sure they do.

Just like they do to Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh and all the rest.

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Now in my book a curse is something that comes from God. It's a punishment that God renders when His people fall into sin or commit wickedness in his presence. Anytime in the Bible when God cursed another people it was when they took something holy and defiled it, or if they came against His people.

Actually, according to Jesus, a curse can simply be being turned over to the tormentors (reference: the parable of the unforgiving servant).

And as we can read in Job, Satan can indeed cause natural disasters and sickness and all that.

What I stated above, and maintain, was that Robertson intended to allude to the fact that this was a curse from God that the Haitian people brought upon themselves. Sure, he didn't outright say it.....after all that would be a horribly insensitive statement.

No, that is your interpretation of what he said based on your theology. That theology is not shared by him nor several of us evangelicals.

Truthfully, when I saw a clip of what Pat said on the O'Reilly factor last night, I actually saw more compassion coming out of Pat towards the Haitian people (he spoke as one who cared and was concerned, not as one who was angry and pointing fingers) than I am seeing being given to Pat here.

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Should we judge a man by his words or his actions. I think Robertson's actions in this case far outweigh any random opinion he may or may not have.

I'd be willing to bet that Robertson is doing more for the population of Haiti right now than all of the reporters put together who are using his words to divide Christians.

what is the most important work that one can do for a nation and it's people in times of crisis?

pray.

pat robertson has made a public call to prayer for haiti and its people, that beauty will rise from the ashes, the people will be restored to God, and that God will be glorified in wake of this tragedy.

now as far as he, the man, is concerned, i have no opinion. pat robertson is of no interest to me at all. i'm neutral.

but as to the persecution he is getting by so many wonderful brothers and sisters in Christ, i'm very disturbed. this isn't even something exclusive to robertson... it's something i see anytime any famous man of God says something stupid or does something wrong. everyone seems to jump on the proverbial bandwagon to assign motive to the deed.

may i lovingly remind everyone here that WE can not see into this man's heart, and to assign motive and agenda to what he said during an interview is equally as "wrong" as robertson's words were, if they indeed had any malicious intent.

i would much rather see you all focusing on his call to PRAY for these people rather than gossip about him.

Bless you both!

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This is not the first time Pat has spoken out about the spiritual condition of a nation or people after something bad has happened. On the reverse side, he also uses their faith as the reason why good things happen. This is what he believes.

He can say this to any one, any city or any country whenever he likes. But when you make statements like this AFTER

a catastrophe this huge makes him (and Christians) seem like buttheads.

How many times have you sent Mr. Robertson a letter voicing your concerns.

Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

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Just some reports on Haiti and voodoo.

Throughout the month of July there are voodoo ceremonies and pilgrimages all over Haiti.

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Despite the suspicions of other religions, and despite its reputation for black magic, voodoo is ever more deeply rooted in this Caribbean country of some eight million people.

As the Catholic missionary John Hoet admits: 'Haitians may be 95% Catholic, but they are 100% voodoo."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3122303.stm

Last Updated: Wednesday, 30 April, 2003, 14:35 GMT 15:35 UK

Haiti makes voodoo official

Over 90% of Haitians are said to practice voodoo

Voodoo has been practised in Haiti since the late 18th Century, but only now has it been recognised as a religion on a par with others worshipped in the country.

Haiti's Catholic President, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, took the decision earlier in April which means that voodoo ceremonies such as marriages now have equal standing with Catholic ones.

The mixture of gods and goddesses and Catholic saints is an integral part of Haitian life - one common saying is that Haitians are 70% Catholic, 30% Protestant, and 100% voodoo.

"We've always been the majority religion in Haiti - it's never been illegal to be a voodooisant," said Mambu Racine Sumbu, an American voodoo priestess who has been practising in Haiti for 15 years.

She told the BBC World Service's Reporting Religion programme: "What President Aristide has done for us, for which we are very thankful, is to facilitate us in obtaining the status that we need to perform legally-binding religious ceremonies."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2985627.stm

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Danny Glover, the actor, said today, and I paraphrase, "The earthquake in Haiti was caused by mother earth because we missed our chance to heal Global warming in Copenhagen."

Does anyone have any condemnation for Danny Glover?

Peace,

Dave

[Guest yod]

Grace to you,

Danny Glover, the actor, said today, and I paraphrase, "The earthquake in Haiti was caused by mother earth because we missed our chance to heal Global warming in Copenhagen."

Does anyone have any condemnation for Danny Glover?

Peace,

Dave

I do!

he's blinded by the prince of darkness like everyone who rejects the Truth.

[~Shalhevet~]

Grace to you,

Danny Glover, the actor, said today, and I paraphrase, "The earthquake in Haiti was caused by mother earth because we missed our chance to heal Global warming in Copenhagen."

Does anyone have any condemnation for Danny Glover?

Peace,

Dave

Wow. Very good point!

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OK, if you want to see the video click here

700 Club Wednesday

Move the time curser to about 6:40 or around there to find it.