George Fox

[Seeker100]

One quick addition to my comment...

Quakers do not regard any book as being the actual 'word of God'.

Most Quakers regard the Bible as a very great inspirational book but they don't see it as the only one, and so they read other books that can guide their lives.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/ch...quakers_1.shtml

You are incorrect. Quakers view the bible as the word of God when read with the wisdom the of the Holy Ghost. (Please note I am talking of Orthodox Quakers in all of my replies. Liberal Quakers believe totally different. I am not talking about Liberal Quakers.)

It is true too that Quakers see truth written in other books as well. The Holy Ghost guides to what is true and what is false. In my Quaker meeting house we have many books written by Catholics, Protestants, non-Christians etc. We even have a Koran. This does not mean that we follow the Koran. The Koran is there to be read understand how other faiths see things.

Edited January 23, 2010 by Seeker100

[Guest LadyC]

how does one know whether the inner voice they are hearing is God's voice and not some other voice?

[Believer1997]

George Fox should not be placed on any type of pedestal as devout Christian. He was clearly mistaken on many of his beliefs. The fact that he spent much time in prison for preaching heresy (i.e. though Fox used the Bible to support his views, Fox reasoned that, because God was within the faithful, believers could follow their own inner guide rather than rely on a strict reading of Scripture or the word of clerics. As the Bible makes no mention of the Trinity, Fox also made no clear distinction between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.)

I think he was actually a very troubled man and confused in his theology.

Geroge Fox taught the truth of God. He taught that Jesus teaches us now and can teach us in our hearts. He taught that God must be first not man made religion. When God is put first the Holy Spirit teaches one what the bible says and what the truth is. The doctrine of George Fox is not of his own. It is the true doctrine of God as God is truth. George Fox pointed to God. God is the truth.

Actually, he did not. He was very conflicted on the existence of the Trinity and did not preach about it. He also taught that rather than depending on the Bible, that his followers could follow their own "inner self". That is not Scriptural and certainly not what Jesus taught us.

George Fox did not like the word Trinity as it was not used in the bible. He did however believe that Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God and God the Father is God. This is just his thing about the word Trinity. Instead of that word he used the word Godhead. This is his choice. No big deal. It all means the same thing the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost are all God.

You do not understand about depending on the bible. The bible can say many things depending upon who is reading it. Thus to know what the bible says one must follow the Holy Ghost in reading the bible since the Holy Ghost wrote the bible.

You are 100% incorrect about George Fox telling people to follow their own inner self. This is totally false. He taught to follow the "inner voice" of God. This inner voice of God is the one thing that all humans have. It is a commonality with us all as we are all created to be servants of the most high.

George Fox pointed to Christ. Let us all go to Christ and live!

Do you believe that the 66 books of the Bible are the divinely inspired Word of God and therefore infallible?

Do you view the doctrine of Jesus' and the virgin birth as nonessential and not accepted as fact? Some Quakers do.

George Fox saw himself as an apostle restoring the true church - do you believe that?

Quaker Theologian Robert Barclay basically wrote the "Doctrine" (Loose as it is) for the Quaker religion - it was in his writings where he alluded to the fact that believers should follow their "inner self".

I have many family that was raised as Quakers - I know many among the Friends and they are fine people. But they do not believe many of the things that other Christians take as gospel. All humans do not have an inner voice from God - it would be wonderful if they did - but sadly -all do not.

[Deepblue]

i have just found this account of George Fox and i am both excited that true Christians exist and subdued as i see now for 20 yrs i have been decieving myself that i am Christ`s just because i believe.

Edit links*

This mans life couldve been straight out of the book of Acts or the gospels, and its staggering that the same people that resisted Christ the truth are still resisting Him today, some here on worthy.

I care not if i get banned for saying such, what do i care im not even saved as I still sin and crucify Christ. I know i was called and i loved going to church and worshipping Him as I thought Him to be, but i didnt follow and i never truly obeyed and i thought i was saved from my sins while sin was still my master.

Satans biggest lie is that Christians still sin.

Whoever commits sin practices lawlessness; for sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4

As you have received Christ Jesus, the Lord, so walk in him. Col 2:6

He who says,

[Permie]

What an eye opener this thread has turned out to be.

Recently I was on another forum with Seeker100 without ever knowing that he was an Orthodox Quaker.

I have to say that the thread has been an incredible hotch botch of misinformed prejudice against something about which contributores clearly have scant understanding.

I have never been to a Quakers meeting in the whole of my life but it begins to seem to me that I too would be an orthodox Quaker, if it were not for my determination to diffuse denominationalism by attending the nearest church to wherever God places me at any point in time (as I've already detailed in my thread "I'll Labour Night and Day to be a Pilgrim" )

Mike.

The Pilgrims, who came to America to escape religious persecution, weren't they Quakers? (Not that you're American... , but you wish to be a Pilgrim... just a a correlation I noticed.)

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

The Bible does not suffer us to listen to an un-named inner voice.

How do you delineate between the supposed Truth found in the Koran versus the Way, the Truth, and the Life found in the Bible?

All men do not contain the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God is imparted to the Believer only. This comes by Faith and Faith cometh by hearing.

Peace,

Dave

[Guest LadyC]

i could have sworn i'd posted... but my post seems to be invisible to me. EDIT: never mind, i found it, it is on the previous page. didn't realize so many other posts had been made since i said that! duh....

my question is, how do we know that this "inner voice" we are listening to is God's voice and not some other?

[Believer1997]

i could have sworn i'd posted... but my post seems to be invisible to me. EDIT: never mind, i found it, it is on the previous page. didn't realize so many other posts had been made since i said that! duh....

my question is, how do we know that this "inner voice" we are listening to is God's voice and not some other?

we don't.

[Matthitjah]

i could have sworn i'd posted... but my post seems to be invisible to me. EDIT: never mind, i found it, it is on the previous page. didn't realize so many other posts had been made since i said that! duh....

my question is, how do we know that this "inner voice" we are listening to is God's voice and not some other?

The answer is that we try the spirit to see whether it is of God or not.

However, I'm certain that this isn't going to be the answer you get. The Word of God is being moved aside in place of the spirit, which spirit we don't really know because were not allowed to try it against the Word to see whether or not it be of God.

The thing that is clear from the Bible is that God does not oppose His own Word but that His Spirit works in conjunction with the revealed nature of God as contained in His Word.

Peace,

Dave

[Seeker100]

George Fox should not be placed on any type of pedestal as devout Christian. He was clearly mistaken on many of his beliefs. The fact that he spent much time in prison for preaching heresy (i.e. though Fox used the Bible to support his views, Fox reasoned that, because God was within the faithful, believers could follow their own inner guide rather than rely on a strict reading of Scripture or the word of clerics. As the Bible makes no mention of the Trinity, Fox also made no clear distinction between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.)

I think he was actually a very troubled man and confused in his theology.

Geroge Fox taught the truth of God. He taught that Jesus teaches us now and can teach us in our hearts. He taught that God must be first not man made religion. When God is put first the Holy Spirit teaches one what the bible says and what the truth is. The doctrine of George Fox is not of his own. It is the true doctrine of God as God is truth. George Fox pointed to God. God is the truth.

Actually, he did not. He was very conflicted on the existence of the Trinity and did not preach about it. He also taught that rather than depending on the Bible, that his followers could follow their own "inner self". That is not Scriptural and certainly not what Jesus taught us.

George Fox did not like the word Trinity as it was not used in the bible. He did however believe that Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God and God the Father is God. This is just his thing about the word Trinity. Instead of that word he used the word Godhead. This is his choice. No big deal. It all means the same thing the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost are all God.

You do not understand about depending on the bible. The bible can say many things depending upon who is reading it. Thus to know what the bible says one must follow the Holy Ghost in reading the bible since the Holy Ghost wrote the bible.

You are 100% incorrect about George Fox telling people to follow their own inner self. This is totally false. He taught to follow the "inner voice" of God. This inner voice of God is the one thing that all humans have. It is a commonality with us all as we are all created to be servants of the most high.

George Fox pointed to Christ. Let us all go to Christ and live!

Do you believe that the 66 books of the Bible are the divinely inspired Word of God and therefore infallible?

Do you view the doctrine of Jesus' and the virgin birth as nonessential and not accepted as fact? Some Quakers do.

George Fox saw himself as an apostle restoring the true church - do you believe that?

Quaker Theologian Robert Barclay basically wrote the "Doctrine" (Loose as it is) for the Quaker religion - it was in his writings where he alluded to the fact that believers should follow their "inner self".

I have many family that was raised as Quakers - I know many among the Friends and they are fine people. But they do not believe many of the things that other Christians take as gospel. All humans do not have an inner voice from God - it would be wonderful if they did - but sadly -all do not.

"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities