What does it mean?

[nebula]

Exactly! That is what I have been saying all along there is only one THE Messiah and only one THE Christ.

There is only one Messiah, also know as Christ - same one, different language - who is Jesus.

When you say, "Jesus" you are saying "Christ" or "Messiah." When you are saying "Christ" or "Messiah" youare saying, "Jesus."

There is no other Christ/Messiah than Jesus.

[nebula]

Do you agree that there are many examples of anointed ones?

Ones who are anointed - yes.

But likewise called "anointed one" - Cristos (Christ) or Mashiach (Messiah) - NO!

I do see that there are, and while there may be many anointed ones, there is only one "The Anointed One", whom is a High Priest along the order of Mechelzidek.

Melchelzidek was never called "Messiah"

As we all have been told Jesus was fully God and fully man.

If it can be seen that an anointing can be separate from Jesus, the man,

No we can't. And thus negates the rest.

[Permie]

Exactly! That is what I have been saying all along there is only one THE Messiah and only one THE Christ.

There is only one Messiah, also know as Christ - same one, different language - who is Jesus.

When you say, "Jesus" you are saying "Christ" or "Messiah." When you are saying "Christ" or "Messiah" youare saying, "Jesus."

There is no other Christ/Messiah than Jesus.

You have no quarrel with me. I consider you to be 100% correct in this.

With that said, however, what is the spirit that God breathed into man causing him to become a living soul?

All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3

Nothing, separate/apart from Him.

Came into being.

That has come into being.

Do you agree that there are many examples of anointed ones?

Ones who are anointed - yes.

But likewise called "anointed one" - Cristos (Christ) or Mashiach (Messiah) - NO!

I do see that there are, and while there may be many anointed ones, there is only one "The Anointed One", whom is a High Priest along the order of Mechelzidek.

Melchelzidek was never called "Messiah"

As we all have been told Jesus was fully God and fully man.

If it can be seen that an anointing can be separate from Jesus, the man,

No we can't. And thus negates the rest.

However, you last statement of disagreement contradicts your first statement that there are ones whom are anointed. It is not that the rest is negated. The contradiction of your statements here, I believe, don't allow you to address the remaining points.

Melchelzidek was never called "Messiah"

I never said he was. I merely said that Jesus was a High Priest along the order of Melchizedek. Why do you insist on reading more into what is actually said?

where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. Hebrews 6:20

And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. Genesis 14:18

Edited January 26, 2010 by Permie

[OneLight]

I am trying to understand what you are saying here, or asking. It is true that nothing that has been created came into existence without God. Genesis 2:7 states: "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Are you trying to say that He does this every time someone is born?

You have no quarrel with me. I consider you to be 100% correct in this.

With that said, however, what is the spirit that God breathed into man causing him to become a living soul?

All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3

Nothing, separate/apart from Him.

Came into being.

That has come into being.

[nebula]

With that said, however, what is the spirit that God breathed into man causing him to become a living soul?

All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3

Nothing, separate/apart from Him.

Came into being.

That has come into being.

In Hebrew, the word "spirit" and the word "breath" or the same word: ruach.

The Spirit of God is the Breath of God.

The Breath of God hovered over the waters.

God breathed His breath into man and he became a living soul.

Do you agree that there are many examples of anointed ones?

Ones who are anointed - yes.

But likewise called "anointed one" - Cristos (Christ) or Mashiach (Messiah) - NO!

I do see that there are, and while there may be many anointed ones, there is only one "The Anointed One", whom is a High Priest along the order of Mechelzidek.

Melchelzidek was never called "Messiah"

As we all have been told Jesus was fully God and fully man.

If it can be seen that an anointing can be separate from Jesus, the man,

No we can't. And thus negates the rest.

However, you last statement of disagreement contradicts your first statement that there are ones whom are anointed.

I fail to see how. Your words implies that anyone who has an anointing on them is "Christ".

It is not that the rest is negated. The contradiction of your statements here, I believe, don't allow you to address the remaining points.

No, you cannot separate Jesus into man-part and God-part.

Your statement begins with "if" - take out the "if", there is no "then."

Melchelzidek was never called "Messiah"

I never said he was. I merely said that Jesus was a High Priest along the order of Melchizedek. Why do you insist on reading more into what is actually said?

where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. Hebrews 6:20

And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. Genesis 14:18

Why are you bringing up Melchizadeck into the "Christ" discussion then?

Is Jesus a created being?

Is Christ (as you are displaying) a created being?

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Are you saying that anyone who is anointed is "Christ"?

Or that "Christ" is the anointing?

because these are the impressions I am getting from your posts.

Either way, these interpretations are far removed from who and what "Messiah" is.

Edited January 26, 2010 by nebula

[Ovedya]

Permie,

Could you please respond to my post of yesterday?

Permie,

You are making this way more complicated than it has to be...

This anointing enables the serving of God in a position of responsibility and sometimes will also provide divine enablement.

When Jesus made His proclamation, or announcement, of who He was, He said:

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[Permie]

Permie,

Could you please respond to my post of yesterday?

Yes. Could you please be patient towards me? I didn't overlook it, and perhaps I should have said so and that I would be getting to it later. My apologies for not doing so. (Didn't work yesterday though... sigh... )

[Permie]

I am trying to understand what you are saying here, or asking. It is true that nothing that has been created came into existence without God. Genesis 2:7 states: "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Are you trying to say that He does this every time someone is born?

You have no quarrel with me. I consider you to be 100% correct in this.

With that said, however, what is the spirit that God breathed into man causing him to become a living soul?

All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3

Nothing, separate/apart from Him.

Came into being.

That has come into being.

There is no life without breath is there?

[Ovedya]

I am trying to understand what you are saying here, or asking. It is true that nothing that has been created came into existence without God. Genesis 2:7 states: "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Are you trying to say that He does this every time someone is born?

You have no quarrel with me. I consider you to be 100% correct in this.

With that said, however, what is the spirit that God breathed into man causing him to become a living soul?

All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3

Nothing, separate/apart from Him.

Came into being.

That has come into being.

There is no life without breath is there?

In man, yes. In God it's "There is no breath without life." Life precedes breath in God, whereas in man breath preceded life.

So if you're trying to say that the very breath that God breathes into man in creation was the divine nature of God, you would be in error. Man became a "living soul" through God's animation by breath. A living soul does not contain the life of God. This is where you need to understand that man was created as a tripartite being having three parts: a body, a soul, and a spirit. In creation God's breath animated Adam's flesh, enlivened man's soul, and created within him his human spirit, which is the vessel to contain God. Were man created with the divine essence then man would not have had to eat of the tree of life, which was there in the garden for him to partake of.

Therefore man, without God as his indwelling, is not divine. Not in the least bit or in any aspect. Not even before Adam fell.

[Permie]

I am trying to understand what you are saying here, or asking. It is true that nothing that has been created came into existence without God. Genesis 2:7 states: "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Are you trying to say that He does this every time someone is born?

You have no quarrel with me. I consider you to be 100% correct in this.

With that said, however, what is the spirit that God breathed into man causing him to become a living soul?

All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3

Nothing, separate/apart from Him.

Came into being.

That has come into being.

There is no life without breath is there?

In man, yes. In God it's "There is no breath without life." Life precedes breath in God, whereas in man breath preceded life.

So if you're trying to say that the very breath that God breathes into man in creation was the divine nature of God, you would be in error. Man became a "living soul" through God's animation by breath. A living soul does not contain the life of God. This is where you need to understand that man was created as a tripartite being having three parts: a body, a soul, and a spirit. In creation God's breath animated Adam's flesh, enlivened man's soul, and created within him his human spirit, which is the vessel to contain God. Were man created with the divine essence then man would not have had to eat of the tree of life, which was there in the garden for him to partake of.

Therefore man, without God as his indwelling, is not divine. Not in the least bit or in any aspect. Not even before Adam fell.

Constantly the barrage of "provide supporting scripture" has been leveled to denounce things that are said here. I have been providing scripture, which has often been ignored. Now, I ask you: where is the supporting scripture?

I could give you some regarding the "human spirit" that you mentioned, but that probably would go over like a lead foot. So, if you would, please provide supporting scripture for what you said above.

Also, my bible tells me that we are: soul, mind, strength (body) and heart.

If I seem short with you, Ovedya, it just may be that I need to work a bit on that forgiveness thing... being accused of having an agenda, as well as the other insults leveled here lately have yet to roll off my back.

If you can, please forgive my slowness also in forgiving.