WN: Biden Promises 'Total' US Commitment to Israel's Secu

[MorningGlory]

This thread really wandered away. Now it's about Sarah Palin, Shiloh & Axxman spatting and the likely photos of the makeup , and we even got the end of the world near Christmas of 2012 in there.

This is more like a discussion around the dinner table with my family.

Mine too!

[Fez]

This thread really wandered away. Now it's about Sarah Palin, Shiloh & Axxman spatting and the likely photos of the makeup , and we even got the end of the world near Christmas of 2012 in there.

This is more like a discussion around the dinner table with my family.

Mine too!

Mine too! Only with mine there are survivors.....

[Axxman]

That is not true. Your method of argumentation relies heavily on spin and strawman arguments. I see it in every thread. You cannot argue with anyone without taking their poisition to a ridiculous extreme and then attempting to refute them based on that extreme.

Dude...what is it with you? You are so off the reservation I don't even know how you function...lol. I didn't take anyone's opinion to ANY extreme. First off, I was the first person on this thread to respond to the news article. Everyone else started jumping on me acting like I didn't understand that Israel had a right to build on their land, and the Palestinians are terrorists...as if that had ONE IOTA to do with what I said! You took MY opinion to the extreme by saying it was about something it wasn't. You are the one who tried to take my opinion in a different direction. My opinion was based on ONE THING, and ONE THING only...it was you who decided that all that other garbage was somehow relevant to the very obvious mistake that was made.

I cannot drown out anyone else, but I am more than competent to defend Israel from the likes of you or anyone else who attempts to criticize Israel unfairly or from a position of relative ignorance.

Your problem is that you are defending them from a mistake that they admit they made. So that suddenly makes you smarter than Netanyahu? Does your pride know any bounds? If someone says to a friend, "That was the wrong thing to do." The friend replies, "You are right, I'm sorry." That should end it. But no, we got some thug in the background going, "No, your an idiot, don't apologize,...punch him in the nose." Thats not coming to Israel's defense...thats just showing that some of Israel's friends aren't very smart.

no entered the discussion with arrogance and a lack of knowledge

My purpose was correct your ignorance-based remarks with fact and truth. I post those facts not to change your mind, but to bring to light the facts that peolpe like you ignore before you open you mouth. Like I said, before, you are all blow. You can blow a lot of smoke, but in the end, you still don't know what you are talking about.

I entered the thread...not with arrogance...but admittedly upset that Israel would treat us that way. By the time I awoke the next day, the apologies and explanations had been made...and I was okay with it. It was a done deal. I come here and everyone is throwing stuff out that A)had nothing to do with Israel had done...and B) were saying Israel had done nothing wrong. Which was ridiculous because clearly they had, they admitted they had messed up, and they apologized both publicly and privately for it.

The lack of knowledge and arrogance clearly belongs in the corner of those who can't accept what the rest of us already knew...and got over already.

It is not something that you should have needed convincing of. It is common knowledge and everyone else gets it. I am not going to give you points for you finally figuring out what you should known all along.

And had you simply expressed your opinion without all of the arrogant slurs towards Israel....

But see even you don't really have it figured out. I didn't make slurs towards Israel...and the fact that you would accuse me of such is preposterous considering you don't believe that criticizing a person or policy is the same as criticizing the country. I criticized who made the mistake...the insult. Not Israel. So much for common knowledge...you can't even frame your own points correctly after I gave you credit for making the point.

It also should be clear...I didn't ask you for "points." I conceded a point to you. It is again bad debate tactic to then undermine a minor point that was already conceded by messing it up later in the debate. Makes it look you got lucky to even get it right in the first place.

No, it is coming in with the "everybody's stupid but me" atttitude, particlulary when YOU are the one who is operating from a position of ignorance, that makes you looke like an igorant bag of hot air."

LOL...I was the first person here! There was no one else to have an "everybody's stupid but me" attitude with! I came in, as the first commenter on a news story...with an opinion. You can keep calling it a position of ignorance all day...it makes you look ignorant because they admitted the mistake. How is that ignorant? I said it was a disrespectful thing to do...and it was! How is my opinion ignorant at all?

You come in all big and bag, and Israeli leaders are stupid jerks, and in fact, you don't even know what is going on. I have noted that you will not let a lack of knowledge get in the way of your "opinion." It would be nice if you had an opinion that was actually useful and based on knowledge istead of hot air.

Well, to be fair...it did appear to me that it was a jerk move. I don't like my country being disrespected. As an American who fully supports Israel (the country) I was upset that they would do that to us. You are right that i didn't know all the details...but it appears my instincts were pretty much on-point. And was happy to see them graciously apologize. You haven't shown one thing that supports the notion that my opinion of this incident was flawed, or lacking in perception.

In fact, one could argue that you saw it the same way...you just didn't care if Israel disrespected the United States. Your response to the description that Israel's actions were a "slap" was..."I hope it was heard all over the world. And I hope it hurt like the dickens as well....I really don't have any problem with this."

Your opinion was valid.

Thank you...I'll accept the point!

And had you simply expressed your opinion without all of the arrogant slurs toward Israel, I would have simply responded with the facts. You however, make that impossible because in order to get to the facts, I have to first untangle all of false values and motives you assign to my position and to the Israelis as well.

I'm sorry...you lost me again. What exactly did you have to untangle? The only tangle you had to unravel was trying to figure out how to absolve the Israeli mistake without blaming the Palestinians...because I wasn't going to accept that hogwash from the get go. Israel slaps the US representative in the face...I was offended. Your response was..."I hope it hurt...its the Palestinians fault." Basically.

When I didn't let you brush it off on the Palestinians...you immediately went into argument from intimidation...which might work on some people, but I recognize it and don't let it get to me because the best defense against that debate tactic is moral certainty or clarity of position.

The fact that a few Israelis agreed with you means nothing. The fact that a few spinless Israeli leaders were quick to apologize and are all too willing to bow and scrape at the feet of international opinon does not really lend any weight to your opinion.

Anyone who disagrees with you is spineless. Netanyahu is spineless...lol. I find it hilarious that you started this whole thing off claiming that the liberals and/or political opponents were trying to make Netanyahu look bad....now Netanyahu is spineless because he was quick to apologize. Fact is, you keep saying I'm not very knowledgable and foolish...and yet you are the one that keeps saying things that indicate you don't really know much about what happened.

How does Netanyahu (and other Israeli leaders) apologizing for doing exactly what I said they did, undermine my opinion. It can't! If I say, "Its my opinion thats the wrong thing to do." Then Israel says, "We were wrong, we apologize, and we will work to make sure that never happens again." I'd say that pretty much validates my opinion that they messed up...lol.

No, you are being critical of a single person by name. I was referring to being critical of a practice that is common among several in the Israeli political system AND add to that the fact that it is being done with the full knolwedge of Israeli government as a whole and nothing is being done about it. It is one area of which I am highly critical of the Israeli government. That is the difference.

Geesh man...I gave an example. The example I used was a single person by name. I didn't realize I had to give a specific example in every possible scenario in order to show you that i was understanding your point, and conceding it. I understand that you don't care if I concede the point...which is fine because it was a minor point...if I don't mind conceding it, it probably wasn't a big deal anyway...lol.

[Axxman]

This thread really wandered away. Now it's about Sarah Palin, Shiloh & Axxman spatting and the likely photos of the makeup , and we even got the end of the world near Christmas of 2012 in there.

This is more like a discussion around the dinner table with my family.

Mine too!

Mine too! Only with mine there are survivors.....

Hey...everybody is going to survive. We've always survived before. Believe it or not...i like Shiloh. He's a smart dude. I love to argue with him in an "iron sharpens iron" kinda way. I can't speak for Shiloh...but I'd like to think if we ever met we'd probably laugh at each other alot. I an extremely chill guy, even if that isn't how my posts come across. (and man, I know they don't... )

[MorningGlory]

This thread really wandered away. Now it's about Sarah Palin, Shiloh & Axxman spatting and the likely photos of the makeup , and we even got the end of the world near Christmas of 2012 in there.

This is more like a discussion around the dinner table with my family.

Mine too!

Mine too! Only with mine there are survivors.....

Hey...everybody is going to survive. We've always survived before. Believe it or not...i like Shiloh. He's a smart dude. I love to argue with him in an "iron sharpens iron" kinda way. I can't speak for Shiloh...but I'd like to think if we ever met we'd probably laugh at each other alot. I an extremely chill guy, even that isn't how my posts come across. (and man, I know they don't... )

That's a good attitude to have toward life, Axx. If we can't bend we will break.

[Fez]

This thread really wandered away. Now it's about Sarah Palin, Shiloh & Axxman spatting and the likely photos of the makeup , and we even got the end of the world near Christmas of 2012 in there.

This is more like a discussion around the dinner table with my family.

Mine too!

Mine too! Only with mine there are survivors.....

Hey...everybody is going to survive. We've always survived before. Believe it or not...i like Shiloh. He's a smart dude. I love to argue with him in an "iron sharpens iron" kinda way. I can't speak for Shiloh...but I'd like to think if we ever met we'd probably laugh at each other alot. I an extremely chill guy, even that isn't how my posts come across. (and man, I know they don't... )

That's a good attitude to have toward life, Axx. If we can't bend we will break.

[nebula]

Yeah, Shiloh is a big teddy bear in person.

[nebula]

Now...you need to keep your friend honest. This is not a poll from Haaretz.

Actually, it was an honest mistake.

I asked her for clarity, and she apologized, explaining that she'd been running through so many news feeds, had a memory lapse.

[Guest yod]

PALESTINIANS HONOR TERRORIST MURDERER FOLLOWING BIDEN'S VISIT : The Palestinian Authority last week ordered the postponement of a ceremony to honor the woman who led a 1978 hijacking of a civilian bus in Israel that left 35 people dead. The delaying of the event coincided with a visit to the West Bank by US Vice President Joe Biden, who met with Palestinian leaders as part of Washington's efforts to revive the stalled Middle East peace process. Palestinian officials involved in organizing the event said Israel told the PA to cancel the ceremony at which a traffic circle near Ramallah was to have been named after terrorist Dalal al-Mughrabi and a memorial plaque unveiled. (Ha

[Guest]

Amen!

Praying!