Who is my "brother" in Christ?

[Littlelambseativy]

1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? 2If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about

[OneLight]

Then scripture that is the simplest is the best. The one with the least requirements. The simplest I have read in scripture is when Jesus told a woman that her faith saved her.

Luke 7:50

Then He said to the woman,

[eis]

Then scripture that is the simplest is the best. The one with the least requirements. The simplest I have read in scripture is when Jesus told a woman that her faith saved her.

Luke 7:50

Then He said to the woman,

[Guest]

Either You Will

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: John 3:36 (a)

Or You Won't

and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36 (b-c)

It's Simply

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:47

Jesus

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12

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Believe

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:11-13

And Be Blessed Beloved

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16

Love, Joe

[Slepsog4]

I noticed that you quoted extensively from John's gospel. Did you happen to notice that all of this was to covenant Jews before his death on the cross. Therefore this has nothing to do with becoming a Christian or with his church. It is not about the Christian era at all.

The quote from 1 John was written to Christians, ie, those already saved. It is not telling how to be saved. Even believers must continue to believe.

[Guest]

The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying,

Sir, we would see Jesus. John 12:21

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I noticed that you quoted extensively from John's gospel. Did you happen to notice that all of this was to covenant Jews before his death on the cross. Therefore this has nothing to do with becoming a Christian or with his church. It is not about the Christian era at all.

The quote from 1 John was written to Christians, ie, those already saved. It is not telling how to be saved. Even believers must continue to believe.

Work

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. John 6:28-29

Work

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Romans 3:27

Work

Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4

Strut

There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 16:25

Strut

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 2 Corinthians 11:3-4

Strut

Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. Galatians 1:3-7

Eat

And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.

And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Luke 4:3-4

Eat

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

Eat

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16

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The Whole Bible Is The

Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, Psalms 40:7

Big Book

Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Hebrews 10:7

Of Jesus

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. John 1:1-5

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Be Very Careful

He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep. John 21:17

You Do Not Use The Ways Of Men

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:8

To Steal The Bread From The Little Children

Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. Matthew 18:14

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Trust In

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. Proverbs 3:5-7

The LORD Jesus

Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting. Psalms 139:23-24

And Be Blessed Beloved

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Galatians 4:6

Love, Joe

And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. Matthew 18:2-5

[Guest shiloh357]

The point I am ultimately getting to is easily illustrated in our exchange. Some places you accept doctrine, other places I accept doctrine.

That is not how it works. Doctrine is comprised of those portions of Scripture that provide a foundation for living. The verses you point to Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, etc. are not doctrinal passages and thus cannot be used to form or create doctrine. In fact, Mark 16:16 is a questionable passage to boot. You pencil in doctrine where it does not exist such as in the "water" of John 3 which you presume is baptismal water (even though Christian baptism did not exist at that time).

Sometimes we agree on the same Scriptures as doctrine. You tell me where doctrine is neatly laid out. It is derived from the whole of Scripture, and as I am sure you have indicated not from a select few that prove only one view. Tie it all together, one place speaks of saving faith, another repentance and another baptism. Why throw out portions?

I am not throwing out anything. The problem is that if the notion that water immersion were required for salvation, we would see more detailed doctrinal discussions of it in the Pauline and general epistles. We would see entire chapters just on that topic like the way Romans 4 deals with the subject of justification. There would be multitudious discussions. We would see types and shadows and there would Old Testament prophecies about it.

The point is that the elements we would expect to see pertinent to a biblical doctrine do not occur where the notion of water immersion being required for salvation. There are no shadows, prophecies, nor numerous doctrinal discussions pertaining to this issue. It is not a doctrine and it is not part of an authetic Christian worldview.

[eis]

The point I am ultimately getting to is easily illustrated in our exchange. Some places you accept doctrine, other places I accept doctrine.

That is not how it works. Doctrine is comprised of those portions of Scripture that provide a foundation for living. The verses you point to Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, etc. are not doctrinal passages and thus cannot be used to form or create doctrine. In fact, Mark 16:16 is a questionable passage to boot. You pencil in doctrine where it does not exist such as in the "water" of John 3 which you presume is baptismal water (even though Christian baptism did not exist at that time).

Sometimes we agree on the same Scriptures as doctrine. You tell me where doctrine is neatly laid out. It is derived from the whole of Scripture, and as I am sure you have indicated not from a select few that prove only one view. Tie it all together, one place speaks of saving faith, another repentance and another baptism. Why throw out portions?

I am not throwing out anything. The problem is that if the notion that water immersion were required for salvation, we would see more detailed doctrinal discussions of it in the Pauline and general epistles. We would see entire chapters just on that topic like the way Romans 4 deals with the subject of justification. There would be multitudious discussions. We would see types and shadows and there would Old Testament prophecies about it.

The point is that the elements we would expect to see pertinent to a biblical doctrine do not occur where the notion of water immersion being required for salvation. There are no shadows, prophecies, nor numerous doctrinal discussions pertaining to this issue. It is not a doctrine and it is not part of an authetic Christian worldview.

Then you deny the anti-type I Peter 3. Looks like we use different hermeneutics.

[Slepsog4]

Joe, you really like to quote scripture. It would be good if you could "rightly divide" them (ie, handle correctly).

We are not under the old covenant. The terms of salvation under the new covenant are not what you are reading in the Gospels during Jesus' earthly ministry.

The terms were revealed by the apostles, who had authority to bind and loose, from the day of Pentecost on.

[Guest]

.... We are not under the old covenant. The terms of salvation under the new covenant are not what you are reading in the Gospels during Jesus' earthly ministry....

Jesus

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 5:39

Never Changed

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8

Got Book?

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 116:160

Believe

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Isaiah 1:18

And Be Blessed Beloved

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16

Love, Joe

And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Genesis 12:3