Putting a face on evil....

[MorningGlory]

I also watched the MSNBC docu-drama. What was chilling for me is when he said he didn't believe in hell, but then said if there was one he didn't think he was going there.

I never saw the show, but I can well imagine him saying this. He obviously believed he was "on the side of angels" so to speak. I reckon he's figured out the truth by now, though.

Awful to contemplate.....realizing that you were serving satan all along AFTER you're in hell.

[other one]

There's a video on youtube that speaks of a cover-up.......in case anyone's interested.

A cover up? Of what?

MG, there were things that were never talked about in the general network news. Actually there is a lot of things that most of you don't know. We had news people here do a lot of investigative research involving many more people besides Tim and Terry.

Jayna Davis pretty much identified John Doe #3 and took the information to the FBI and the FBI refused to even take any of the information. The guy she fingered sued her for liable and the court sided with Jana which goes a long way in validating her research.

I would have legal problems from my old job that keep me from any real details, but there are several books that you can get, the best I've read is Jayna Davis's book. I was also very close to the situation in that if God had not kept me from my scheduled day, I most likely would have died in the parking lot across from the Federal Building. I really have trouble talking about it...... I have a lot of trouble each year on the 19th. I simply can not go to the memorial downtown.

http://www.jaynadavis.com/

This is pretty conspiratorial, but it's far beyond theory.

[other one]

I would agree though that Tim McVey was one seriously disturbed dude...... to the point of being evil.

[enoob57]

I also watched the MSNBC docu-drama. What was chilling for me is when he said he didn't believe in hell, but then said if there was one he didn't think he was going there.

I never saw the show, but I can well imagine him saying this. He obviously believed he was "on the side of angels" so to speak. I reckon he's figured out the truth by now, though.

Awful to contemplate.....realizing that you were serving satan all along AFTER you're in hell.

Just as Heaven is beyond our grasp in all areas even dreams so also hell. Only the Lord has the right to decree those who will fill its horrors but even God wishes for none to perish to its eternal holds but repentance turning around. None of which this man has consigned himself to do. I so look forward to the point in God's fulfillment to His Word "death and hell are swallowed up" afterward we will continue without tears our Father shall wipe them away. Love Steven

[MorningGlory]

I also watched the MSNBC docu-drama. What was chilling for me is when he said he didn't believe in hell, but then said if there was one he didn't think he was going there.

I never saw the show, but I can well imagine him saying this. He obviously believed he was "on the side of angels" so to speak. I reckon he's figured out the truth by now, though.

Awful to contemplate.....realizing that you were serving satan all along AFTER you're in hell.

Just as Heaven is beyond our grasp in all areas even dreams so also hell. Only the Lord has the right to decree those who will fill its horrors but even God wishes for none to perish to its eternal holds but repentance turning around. None of which this man has consigned himself to do. I so look forward to the point in God's fulfillment to His Word "death and hell are swallowed up" afterward we will continue without tears our Father shall wipe them away. Love Steven

[tscotty4him36]

Yeah, I'm kinda fed up of all the conspiracy theories floating around out there. The most sickening to me are the ones saying 9/11 and Oklahoma City were perpetrated by our own government. I believe our government is more than capable of lying to us about something "for our own good." For example, that whole "The CIA does not assassinate people" spiel has always seemed kinda idiotic to me. If the CIA is not assassinating our enemies then they darn well should be IMHO. But I cannot conceive of some dark government entity deliberately setting out to kill thousands of Americans just so they could get government and public support for things like invading Afghanistan and Iraq and the Patriot Act. And if that had been their plan then it was an idiotic one because anyone with half a wit would have known all along that the overwhelmingly liberal leanings of this country would make the anger after 9/11 fade quickly once the media started harping about how many innocents were being killed in the fighting. As if that isn't supposed to happen in a war. As if we're somehow supposed to go over there and take out Al Qaeda by begging them to pretty please stop hating us and trying to kill us. The idiocy of thinking that way is just inexplicable. People die in war. Even the innocent. That's just the way it works.

The conspiracy theorists are a funny breed; they can be totally normal, rational people who are successful in life and still cling stubbornly to the notion that our government would have to kill thousands of citizens so they could go to war against Iraq and Afghanistan. But they can never tell you WHY such a thing would be necessary. Even after reading the final words of the 9/11 hijackers, and hearing Bin Laden admit he was behind it on tape, they will still insist our government orchestrated the whole thing. As if the thousands involved in such a thing would keep it secret. Someone once said that the only way a conspiracy can remain secret is if only two people know about it and one of them is dead. I don't get it.

If I may say something here that might shed some light on why more and more people feel the gov is against the people. First.. we know that there is going to come a One World Gov. in the very near future and we know that this gov. will not be run by God or Godly men for this is how the Antichrist will come in to total control. Now you must see that with plans like the Antichrist taking over this just doesn't happen over night or suddenly but takes time to place men, congressmen, and countries into the right place for him to assume power.

I used to not think of our US gov being evil at all but certain things began to happen that had no moral answers to it. First was when George Bush Sr. stood up before congress and stated "Its a big idea, a New World Order.." .. as time went on we saw how George Bush Jr. enacted NAFTA with hopes of bringing Canada, the US, & Mexico under one North American Nation with one currency the Amero.

Well the questions began to roll in about things that have happened that seem to have no real answer. The invasion of Iraq.. why? They never found any weapons of mass destruction but it did put our economy in trillions of dollars into debt. You can believe we went in for more reasons then to just liberate those people there. Oil was the reason... plain and simple. Saddam wanted to start selling the oil under the Euro currency and not the American dollar. If he had done so it would have crippled us because we would have to then trade the failing American dollar for the Euro and the price of oil for us would have went through the roof.

Fast forward to the banker bail outs. Billions of dollars loaned to banks but which banks? Who and how many? Where is this money today? When Ron Paul asked the head of the Feds who was Bernake where the money really went to and who the Feds had no real answer. When Ron Paul wanted to audit the Feds they stood before congress and stated that they are above the law and our constitution and would NEVER be audited. As a matter of fact as reported on MSNBC the Feds stated that if we had not given the banker bail outs they would threaten marshal law inside the US. Still to this day we do not know accurately where all that money went.

I say all that to say this. By nature our government isn't run by Christian standards because it can't be. In order to bring in a NWO there must be evil people in place to bring this about. To get us under a one currency with European Nations many things must happen. One being that the US dollar must loose value as it has done. Also they must keep the American people in fear of a terrorist attack in order to exact safety measures to control us. There are many questions about the World Trade Center collapses that congress will not answer. One major being is how or why building 7 fell when it wasn't even hit. And many many more just like that.

I was never your typical conspiracy theorists until a friend of mine wanted me to join the Masons. When i researched these people, who they where, how far back in our history they went and how they are occultist in nature and secrecy I started to see how they tied in with our Gov. and how they are running much of our country today. To set the stage for a one world government you don't simply do this over night. It takes time to plan, prepare and move people and nations into place. Now we have Obama who stands up and says we are not a Christian nation anymore... wow.. we are nearly bankrupt with China owning most of our debt to fund wars that make no sense. We have abandoned Israel which was a huge turn from God. Christians today are regarded now as home land terrorist thanks to Janet Reno...

Satan runs the governments of the world. He has to so that Revelations can be fulfilled when Jesus said the kings of the world made war against him. Also under the name of national security they are wanting to chip the American people. This chip exists, its tied into your bank account and medical records and you won't be able to use normal money because it will be worthless. Right now China is pushing for a new world currency to replace to failing dollar.

Conspiracy? No.. but seeing Satan controlling the government in order to bring about this NWO and the Antichrist very much so..

Just my thoughts..

[MorningGlory]

The invasion of Iraq.. why? They never found any weapons of mass destruction but it did put our economy in trillions of dollars into debt. You can believe we went in for more reasons then to just liberate those people there. Oil was the reason... plain and simple.

This is probably true....for the most part.

When Ron Paul wanted to audit the Feds they stood before congress and stated that they are above the law and our constitution and would NEVER be audited.

Source please.

As a matter of fact as reported on MSNBC the Feds stated that if we had not given the banker bail outs they would threaten marshal law inside the US.

Source please.

Also they must keep the American people in fear of a terrorist attack in order to exact safety measures to control us.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but...we ARE in danger of another attack.

There are many questions about the World Trade Center collapses that congress will not answer. One major being is how or why building 7 fell when it wasn't even hit. And many many more just like that.

This is an old, and particularly insidious conspiracy theory. Do you seriously think our government could keep this secret? They haven't been able to keep ANYTHING secret in decades.

We have abandoned Israel which was a huge turn from God. Christians today are regarded now as home land terrorist thanks to Janet Reno...

Israel will go it alone in the end, according to Revelation. I'm not sure what Janet Reno has to do with anything; she left office 11 years ago.

Satan runs the governments of the world. He has to so that Revelations can be fulfilled when Jesus said the kings of the world made war against him.

To a large degree, I believe this.

Conspiracy? No.. but seeing Satan controlling the government in order to bring about this NWO and the Antichrist very much so..

It will happen, yes, but not as the result of the scheming of man. God is always in control and He has His plan in place. We will know all about it when He returns.

[enoob57]

It will happen, yes, but not as the result of the scheming of man. God is always in control and He has His plan in place. We will know all about it when He returns.

You are a sharp Kid! With this strength of knowledge overcomers one and all! Love Steven

[tscotty4him36]

MorningGlory said:

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tscotty4him36 said:

The invasion of Iraq.. why? They never found any weapons of mass destruction but it did put our economy in trillions of dollars into debt. You can believe we went in for more reasons then to just liberate those people there. Oil was the reason... plain and simple.

This is probably true....for the most part.

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When Ron Paul wanted to audit the Feds they stood before congress and stated that they are above the law and our constitution and would NEVER be audited.

Source please.

 

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- Threat of Marshal Law over Banker Bailouts

 

Janet Reno's definition of a cultist. She began the movement of labling Christian Americans as cultist and a threat.

 

 

 

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As a matter of fact as reported on MSNBC the Feds stated that if we had not given the banker bail outs they would threaten marshal law inside the US.

Source please.

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Also they must keep the American people in fear of a terrorist attack in order to exact safety measures to control us.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but...we ARE in danger of another attack.

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There are many questions about the World Trade Center collapses that congress will not answer. One major being is how or why building 7 fell when it wasn't even hit. And many many more just like that.

This is an old, and particularly insidious conspiracy theory. Do you seriously think our government could keep this secret? They haven't been able to keep ANYTHING secret in decades.

 

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We have abandoned Israel which was a huge turn from God. Christians today are regarded now as home land terrorist thanks to Janet Reno...

Israel will go it alone in the end, according to Revelation. I'm not sure what Janet Reno has to do with anything; she left office 11 years ago.

 

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Satan runs the governments of the world. He has to so that Revelations can be fulfilled when Jesus said the kings of the world made war against him.

To a large degree, I believe this.

 

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Conspiracy? No.. but seeing Satan controlling the government in order to bring about this NWO and the Antichrist very much so..

It will happen, yes, but not as the result of the scheming of man. God is always in control and He has His plan in place. We will know all about it when He returns.

What I am trying to show you is this. Yes, God is in control but if you think that Satan isn't behind our government then explain how the Antichrist will suddenly come in to power? Does he just simply walk in and take over a perfectly smooth running government? No.. right now the stage is being set if you carefully watch news and current events for major epic problems not only here in the US but also around the world. Its all designed to place us all under one government and one control. Even during the tribulation for those who are left here under one religion. Again yes God is in control but you have to examine how this is all coming around.

 

All you have to do is youtube these videos and words being spoken out of the mouths of our leaders.

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I can go on and on ... our government system is totally controlled by satan in order to bring war against God during armagedon.

[tscotty4him36]

Also.. visit Ron Pauls website. He goes into very detailed summary of the problems we face dealing with the feds. Even he acknowledges that there are bigger plans by world governments and men in power to bring this world under their control. Jesus told his disciples to watch the signs of the time of his coming since no man knows the day nor the hour. Ok, what are the signs? How will they come about? What series of problems and events will be in progress to bring this all about? How else would anyone know we live in the last days. When Jesus spoke of the kings of the earth would rise up against him who are these kings if not our governments? Why do they war against God? Who is leading them and how did he gain power over them? To say that .. Janet Reno was 11 yrs ago so that has no basis today would be like saying when Israel became a nation some sixty years ago has no basis today. The shadows of the past play a major part of events today. What Janet did was make a basis how our government views us today. Her way of saying that any bible believing conservative Christian is a threat to national security is even to this day. You have go far beyond just CNN Headline news or whats being main stream reported to find out whats really under the surface. There is far far more then most people are even willing to admit.

What amazes me is that those of us who have researched it, found out that there is a spirit of Antichrist alive and working in our government today we are labeled as conspiracy theorist. Why? Cause we dug deeper, asked questions that have no answer to them? Found out there is more to our government then what we realize?? very frustrating.

I decided many years ago to study bible prophecy. To learn just how these events of end times where going to play out. What I learned way back then I see happening today. The rise of Russia again, China, N. Korea, & Iran. To see not only political events but natural events take shape. I mean look at some of the postings about world events even on here.

Edited April 22, 2010 by tscotty4him36