Need Original Word-Matthew 13:31-32

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[OneLight]

I don't have a resource to find this out myself yet. Can anyone tell me what the original word used for the "birds of the air" in this verse? I'd like to know if it does mean "evil ones" or not. Thank you in advance.

Matthew 13:31,32-

"Another parable put He forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field. Which indeed is the least of all seeds, but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof." KJV

Here is the KJV Study Bible's Notes on Matthew 13:31,32 :

13:31,32. See Mark 4:30-34; Luke 13:18, 19. The mustard seed is unusually small and yet grows to a great size. The idea seems to be that the tiny beginning of the church will eventually culminate in great growth. Herbs (Gr. lachanon) are garden plants or vegetables. However, such numerical growth will come to harbor the birds (evil ones). The parable accordingly foreshawos the growth of the church into a wold power. However, outward growth is not always a true picture of spiritual depth.

from matt 13

the word is

peteinon

It means

1. flying, winged

2. flying or winged animals, birds

a.the birds of the heaven, i.e. flying in the heaven

I would like to add: Ezek 17:23; Ps 104:12; Ezek 31:6; Dan 4:12

You mentioned in your first thread that you have been taught one way, then by hearing just one other teaching, you are confused. May I suggest that you take time to become a solid bible student so you are not so easily swayed too and fro by strange doctrines and teachings.

God Bless,

Alan

Thank you for the add ins. And yep. I am too easily swayed. The last two days God kept lighting up the word "Simple" in reference to wisdom, meaning easily influenced. I know He used this incident as an attention getter. I've always read His word and let the Holy Spirit interpret it (nothing wrong with that) but I think I've become too...comfortable? with that. He is taking me in a new direction and I believe He wants me to become more diligent in my studies than I have been. Wherever He is taking me, its important. He's raising me up, but He's also warning me. If I study His word with more than my usual care, I'll notice the false stuff when it comes. Satan's favorite torment for me is confusion. My feet are completely cemented in Jesus' rock solid foundation, but wow! The rest of me sure can get battered around!

You may benefit from checking out this site. It is called Bible.org. They have a lot of resources and classes that you can review online on your own time ... all free. On their menu bar, under topics, you can find studies that may be what you are searching for.

God Bless and welcome to the Berean Society!

Alan

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Ya 'birds of the air' in the Greek from Strong's Concordance:

birdsG4071 of theG3588 airG3772

G4071

πετεινόν

peteinon

pet-i-non'

Neuter of a derivative of G4072; a flying animal, that is, bird: - bird, fowl.

G3772

οὐρανός

ouranos

oo-ran-os'

Perhaps from the same as G3735 (through the idea of elevation); the sky; by extension heaven (as the abode of God); by implication happiness, power, eternity; specifically the Gospel (Christianity): - air, heaven ([-ly]), sky.

now the verses themselves?

(Mat 13:31) Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

(Mat 13:32) Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

Key thing-- this is a parable.. so the actual real life application of it is a bit different than just reading it as is. So with this.. all the references.. like seeds, tree, birds, air.. it is a bit of a big leap to associate them immediately with supernatural goings on. The Kingdom of heaven is LIKE to a grain of mustard seed.. not IS a grain of mustard seed.

The same kind of logic goes for parables Jesus told about 'cutting off'.. and 'burning' branches.. or animals in a flock. It doesn't always immediately mean Jesus sending someone to hell. You would have to compare those kind of verses with all the verses about God's grace and sacrifice aswell.

Another contextual thing to remembers.. is all this agriculture references.. with farming and food etc.. relates to the lifestyle of those He was teaching. So then you can start to think... well... what is a 'mustard seed' to those people at that time? What is a 'herb' etc..

[stormy612]

My concern was more to do with teaching others something outside of God's intention. He's very clear about adding to or taking from His word; and I'm not to keen on sending others down the wrong path.

The interpretation Jesus gave me originally gave me peace and hope. When I heard a different understanding of that verse, I challenged it so God told me to look it up for myself. I did (through my study bible) and found that both the preacher and the study bible agreed. My concern only grew. How could both a preacher AND a study bible agree and yet both be so very wrong in their interpretation? The implication of what 'truth' is being spread to the world (already blind to the truth) is frighteneing. I didn't want to be a part of spreading false doctrine, but how does one know real 'truth' if that 'truth' changes based on your perspective? Some trees look very tall indeed when you stand next to them, but from a distance, they look very small. I'm not a total baby in Christ but I'm not nearly in elder either. The meaning of His words that I learned as a baby have since grown deeper in meaning, but that doesn't mean what I learned as a baby was 'false' or 'wrong'. Perhaps the idea of these 'birds' in the verse being 'demons' is true in the sense of it being deeper knowledge that I will come to understand when I am older. But it could also be totally false doctrine. My question was "how does one know the difference?"

I came here to Worthy for help. I know there are bible scholars here and I felt certain God would work through them and others to bring me back to that place of peace with the added bonus of having gained in wisdom. That He did and He gave me some online resources to boot thanks to His Worthy Servants here on Worthy. He also taught me how 'simple' I am (easily swayed), a condition I need to work to correct through Him. I still don't have the answer, but I have been brought back to peace, and I've been given more work to do.

Thanks to everyone for all of your love and help! God bless you!

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.... The interpretation Jesus gave me originally gave me peace and hope. When I heard a different understanding of that verse, I challenged it so God told me to look it up for myself. I did (through my study bible) and found that both the preacher and the study bible agreed. My concern only grew. How could both a preacher AND a study bible agree and yet both be so very wrong in their interpretation? The implication of what 'truth' is being spread to the world (already blind to the truth) is frightening. I didn't want to be a part of spreading false doctrine, but how does one know real 'truth' if that 'truth' changes based on your perspective? Some trees look very tall indeed when you stand next to them, but from a distance, they look very small. I'm not a total baby in Christ but I'm not nearly an elder either. The meaning of His words that I learned as a baby have since grown deeper in meaning, but that doesn't mean what I learned as a baby was 'false' or 'wrong'. Perhaps the idea of these 'birds' in the verse being 'demons' is true in the sense of it being deeper knowledge that I will come to understand when I am older. But it could also be totally false doctrine. My question was "how does one know the difference?"....

Well My Sister

Some Of The Folk Who Teach Demon Birds And Dead Beasts In And Under The Church And Such

Are Brothers And Sisters Who Got It From A Dear Old Man Who Is Slowly Dying

And Who I Dearly Love And Treasure And Praise God For

And I Sorrow At His Feebleness

But Scripture

The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:

The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it. Daniel 4:11-12

To Scripture Beats Man-To-Man Any Day

Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof. Matthew 13:31-32

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