Sabbath or Sunday ?

September 17, 2008

No one said they had authority over the scriptures, I used them to show that the early Christians did not keep the Sabbath like you claim they did. It is called history, you should look into it from time to time.

And I still find it highly offensive that you would call those that gave their lives for Jesus the names that you call them.

Ignore the history if you wish to be ignorant.

Many of the Nazis SS went to church on Sunday also. What does that prove?

yes I can, ignorance offends me, and one who ignores history because it does not agree with their view falls into that category.

again...you can stop being ignorant because history doesn't agree with your narrow view anytime now.

So gathering in the synagogue to study God's Word was all that was required of the Sabbath? Somehow I don

September 17, 2008

I have considered them, that is why I realize that the Sabbath was part of the Mosaic Covenant and was not recognized before that.

Maybe you and/or your european theologians didn't read the first book of the Bible???

Genesis 2:3 is pretty clear. God recognized it and His opinion is the only one that really counts on the matter since He says it is holy unto HIM.

Trying to live the New Covenant under the rules and regulations of the Old Covenant is what half of the New Testament was written to get people to stop doing. Maybe if you spent more time reading the writings of Paul and less time legalizing what day of the week is more important you would know this.

I don't live by rules. I live by a relationship. That relationship is built on truth, not theological devices and concepts. It is TRUE that God created man and gave us the Sabbath for rest. He has never changed His mind about that or you could bet He would say so in His Word.

If you think it is in the Word then just give me the chapter and verse please??

What about all the books written by Paul warning the Jews not to force their old Laws on the gentiles?

There is one book where Shaul admonishes the Galatians that they can not confuse a relationship to the Law as if it is a relationship to the Lord.

Yet you seem unwilling to admit (or maybe you're just as ignorant of the New Covenant Scriptures?) that Paul and all the Apostles have nothing but respect for the Law of God, the Sabbath, and the foundation from which our Lord comes.

Bad form, sir.

BlindSeeker · September 17, 2008

It matters not if the first day started on Saturday night or Sunday morning, the fact is they still met on the FIRST DAY, which is not the SABBATH.

September 17, 2008

September 17, 2008

so now they are Nazis!

that is great!

logic escapes you, eh?

I have quoted from a history book,

I quote the bible.

why did the Jewish leaders get mad at Jesus for healing on the Sabbath?

why did they get mad at Jesus for letting his followers get grain on the Sabboth?

seems the Jews of Jesus' time didnt know much about history either!

Were these jews not studying the scriptures in a synagogue on the Sabbath?

This is the point I made...and again logic escapes you

But to answer your diversionary tactical questions....they absolutely were rejecting the Word of God and HIS LAW in preference to their own theological interpretations....much like you are.

no, our disagreement is whtehr it is binding for those that dont live udner the law.

Only the unsaved can live "under the law" and the only binding to that is how they will be judged.

and this is the key...almost exclusively jews teaching gentiles They met on the Sabbath in the begining as that was what they were used to doing.

thanks for proving my point! They did what God had told them. Please read your own signature.

As more and more gentiles were converted to Christianty the Sabbath went the way of the rest of the Law.

Yes, Greek philosophy took over and kicked the jews out.

Well it is a good thing that I have you to show me the truth so that I can leave behind my racist ways

Up to this point I have made no accusation of that. Are you making a confession?

If you want to follow the law, have at it, that is your right.

I simply recognize that God is the sovereign authority of the Universe.

If you wish to be lawless that is up to you.

P_Joseph · September 17, 2008

Did God Change? Here is what the Lord God Almighty has to say on this issue.

Malachi 3:6-7

"I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. 7 Ever since the time of your forefathers you have turned away from my decrees and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you," says the LORD Almighty.

If we as Christians would follow Jesus, and do as He did on the Sabbath, we would turn the world upside down again. I started a thread on How did Jesus Keep the Sabbath please read it.

your friend in Christ.joe

ps I worship on Sunday. And i am not a nazi

September 17, 2008

If the law can not be kept as you state then King David was a liar because he continually said different.

Psalm 119:44
So shall I keep Your law continually,Forever and ever.

Psalm 119:55
I remember Your name in the night, O LORD, And I keep Your law.

So King David lied?

this according to James...

For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

was he wrong? die he lie? maybe the Bible is in error? or maybe David meant he did the best that he could.

you pick

This is why we have forgiveness, notice what James calls the Law...

8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture,

September 17, 2008

AHA!
Here's the key
"our law" it was against their law. Many Jews had developed their own laws and requirements, this is like the Talmud.

It is not against God's Law to associate with Gentiles. Please find me ANY scripture Torah, in God's Law where Gentiles and Jews are forbidden to associate.

Again... "our law" not "God's Law"

yes, this is the key. The "Law" or the "law" had taken on so many meanings that no one knew left from right and right from wrong.

this is why we dont live under the Law or the law anymore, we live under Grace.

Can you please find me the Old Testament scripture that says Jew and Gentile can not interact or associate?

September 17, 2008

They never met on Sundays for any Sabbath function. They met the first day which is (to this day) Saturday night. Sunday was never intended to be a new kind of Sabbath. The early believers did not change it. Show me in scripture where this change occurred?

The only thing that we know for sure they met on the Sabbath for was to preach the Word.

Is that the only Sabbath function there was?

And they did this on Sunday also if we are to believe the words written in Acts.

Where in Acts did they meet, worship on a Sunday?

September 17, 2008

RunningGator, when you get a chance, I was hoping to get your view point on some of these questions:

How was King David (a big time sinner) able to claim that he Loved and Kept the Law, if it is impossible for us to keep the Law.

In Colossians 2 in the context of the whole chapter, what was nailed to the Cross and made a spectacle of? The Holy Law of God... or the Principalities, philosophies, and traditions of Man?

In this scripture in Acts what are the false witnesses saying?

Acts 6

8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and signs among the people. 9 Then there arose some from what is called the Synagogue of the Freedmen (Cyrenians, Alexandrians, and those from Cilicia and Asia), disputing with Stephen. 10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the Spirit by which he spoke. 11 Then they secretly induced men to say,

Edited September 17, 2008 by Rain27