Sabbath or Sunday ?

[BlindSeeker]

The meet in the homes of people according to Acts

In Acts 20 where it speaks of the first day of the week they were in a person's home

I'll repost this since you keep saying the same thing and haven't responded to this direct reply to you . . .

It matters not if the first day started on Saturday night or Sunday morning, the fact is they still met on the FIRST DAY, which is not the SABBATH.

[BlindSeeker]

so then they met on Saturday night and not Sunday morning is what you are saying?

Well, Eutychus didn

[BlindSeeker]

thanks for the thoughts, it has given me much to think about.

and yes I am a runner and an avid Fla Gator fan!

I'm not far from Gainesville - Crystal River

Peace

[Guest Rain27]

RunningGator, when you get a chance, I was hoping to get your view point on some of these questions:

How was King David (a big time sinner) able to claim that he Loved and Kept the Law, if it is impossible for us to keep the Law.

he was able to claim it because he did his best, like the rest of us. We know that he did not keep the Law as we are told of some of the times that he broke it.

He did keep the Law... Or are these verses untrue, did King David lie?

Psalm 119

44 So shall I keep Your law continually,

Forever and ever.

45 And I will walk at liberty,

For I seek Your precepts.

55 I remember Your name in the night, O LORD,

And I keep Your law.

67 Before I was afflicted I went astray,

But now I keep Your word.

100 I understand more than the ancients,

Because I keep Your precepts.

168 I keep Your precepts and Your testimonies,

For all my ways are before You.

97 Oh, how I love Your law!

It is my meditation all the day.

[Guest Rain27]

In Colossians 2 in the context of the whole chapter, what was nailed to the Cross and made a spectacle of? The Holy Law of God... or the Principalities, philosophies, and traditions of Man?

Your answer (sorry I messed up the quote feature):

The Principalities, philosophies, and traditions of Man.

Amen! Are the feasts, kosher laws, and the Sabbath etc. The traditions of man or God's Holy Occasions and commandments?

In this context does it then make sense that Paul was instructing the new believers (former pagans) that they are free to return to their old ways and free to celebrate their old Pagan (man made) Holidays and to let no man judge them for keeping these man made traditions, they are free in Christ?

Or does it seem more logical that he was saying... Abandon, turn your back on your old man made traditions, on the ways of the Pagans and let No one judge you for keeping God's Holy Days and laws???

Colossians 2

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not[d] seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

Is this making sense or am I confusing you, hopefully it makes sense?

Edited September 18, 2008 by Rain27

[Guest Rain27]

In this scripture in Acts what are the false witnesses saying?

Acts 6

8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and signs among the people. 9 Then there arose some from what is called the Synagogue of the Freedmen (Cyrenians, Alexandrians, and those from Cilicia and Asia), disputing with Stephen. 10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the Spirit by which he spoke. 11 Then they secretly induced men to say,

[Guest Rain27]

(this is a repeat)

If you could also present the commandments from the Torah (first five books) that pertain to Jew and Gentile not being allowed to interact or associate.

I dont think there is any such law in the first five books, but there was such a law in the time of Jesus.

Exactly! There is no such Law in God's Law and that's the only Law that matters. I just wanted to clarify that.

The Law in Jesus' time was "man made" this is exactly what the problem was, it means nothing! Peter had begun to see man's Law of seperation from the gentile as above God's Law...

When Peter had his vision he knew it nothing to do with abolishing Kosher Law, he even says that he himself had never eaten anything unclean. This is why it takes Peter awhile to interpret the dream. Then he realizes that the vision was telling Him that all men are clean! Jesus fought this arguement continually. Do not place the Law of man above His Law, that was what Jesus argued!

See what the vision meant? All men are clean, not "Peter you are free to eat bacon."

If the dream was that straight forward then why didn't Peter say anything about the abolishment of Kosher Law and why does he wonder within himself as to the meaning of the vision?

Let's look at the passage:

Acts 10

9 The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. 10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him,

[Guest Rain27]

They never met on Sundays for any Sabbath function. They met the first day which is (to this day) Saturday night. Sunday was never intended to be a new kind of Sabbath. The early believers did not change it. Show me in scripture where this change occurred?

The only thing that we know for sure they met on the Sabbath for was to preach the Word.

Is that the only Sabbath function there was?

And they did this on Sunday also if we are to believe the words written in Acts.

Where in Acts did they meet, worship on a Sunday?

The meet in the homes of people according to Acts

In Acts 20 where it speaks of the first day of the week they were in a person's home

Acts 20

7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. 8 There were many lamps in the upper room where they[a] were gathered together.......

11 Now when he had come up, had broken bread and eaten, and talked a long while, even till daybreak, he departed.

A day is from sunset to sunset, has been from the beginning of time and in Israel that is still how Jews judge their days...

So on the first day... (Saturday night is the beginning on the first day). The disciples came together to eat which is a Hebrew tradition called Havdahlah, a farewell to Sabbath, study and fellowship time on SATURDAY nights.

It was night time or else why mention the lamps (again Saturday night) ???

Paul ate and the taught a long time even until morning, then he left. He left on what we would consider Sunday morning but they met and started studying on Saturday night "the first day" which is Jewish tradition for SABBATH keeping. Even to this day! The disciples NEVER met on Sundays, not for Sabbath purposes. They kept the Sabbath this passage supports that thoroughly.

[Guest Rain27]

The meet in the homes of people according to Acts

In Acts 20 where it speaks of the first day of the week they were in a person's home

I'll repost this since you keep saying the same thing and haven't responded to this direct reply to you . . .

It matters not if the first day started on Saturday night or Sunday morning, the fact is they still met on the FIRST DAY, which is not the SABBATH.

[Guest Rain27]

He did keep the Law... Or are these verses untrue, did King David lie?

Psalm 119

44 So shall I keep Your law continually,

Forever and ever.

45 And I will walk at liberty,

For I seek Your precepts.

55 I remember Your name in the night, O LORD,

And I keep Your law.

67 Before I was afflicted I went astray,

But now I keep Your word.

100 I understand more than the ancients,

Because I keep Your precepts.

168 I keep Your precepts and Your testimonies,

For all my ways are before You.

97 Oh, how I love Your law!

It is my meditation all the day.

so adultery and murder were not against the law of God?

did David keep the Law by committing murder and adultery?

you are going to have to explain where you heading with this, because you have lost me.

By GRACE it was kept through FAITH. Keep means to guard or protect in Hebrew. David was a sinner by by the GRACE of God he kept the Law. He did not Lie and we can keep the Law today with the same attitude.