Matthitjah Posted August 27, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted August 27, 2010 If this weren't so insane and backwards it would be funny, but it's actually pathetic. Quote The Weekly Standard; Environmental Protection Agency Reviewing Petition to Ban Lead Bullets Will the EPA infuriate gun owners--and seal the fate of Democrats on November 2? BY John McCormack August 27, 2010 9:57 AM Will Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson make a back door move to ban lead bullets the day before the November 2 elections? Several environmentalist groups led by the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) are petitioning the EPA to ban lead bullets and shot (as well as lead sinkers for fishing) under the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA). Although EPA is barred by statute from controlling ammunition, CBD is seeking to work farther back along the manufacturing chain and have EPA ban the use of lead in bullets and shot because non-lead alternatives are available. But here's the catch: the alternatives to lead bullets are more expensive. A ban on the sale of lead ammunition would force hunters and sport shooters to buy non-lead ammunition that is often double the cost of traditional lead ammunition. A box of deer hunting bullets in a popular caliber could be upwards of $55. Although the EPA could have dismissed the request due to a lack of jurisdiction, it is obliging CBD. The EPA has asked for public comment on banning lead in ammunition, and an EPA notice was published seeking public comment that closes on October 31. Jackson would then make a decision to accept or reject the petition on November 1. You might say that even considering enacting what is effectively a new tax on hunters and gun owners--seemingly the only non-liberal group the Obama administration hasn't yet intentionally provoked--is less-than-perfect timing for the already beleaguered Democrats as the midterm elections approach. The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), a trade association for the firearm and ammunition industry, has hit back against the petition sending Jackson a letter documenting why EPA has no jurisdiction and outlining the damage that banning lead ammunition would do to U.S. industry and jobs, conservation, and law enforcement. The NSSF estimates that more than 90 percent of hunters and sport shooters use traditional lead ammunition. If all hunters were forced to buy non-lead bullets that are made out of metals like tungsten, bismuth, and copper alloys, demand could easily begin to outstrip the supply and prices would go even higher. Bill Clinton famously blamed the NRA and gun owners for sweeping Democrats from control of the House in 1994 after he pushed them to pass the Assault Weapons Ban. For Democrats, especially those in rural and conservative districts that are already facing voters wrath, gun control could once again be an issue that helps defeat them and swings control of the House and perhaps even the Senate to the GOP. http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/epa-reviewing-request-ban-led-bullets God forbid that bullets should be dangerous someone might get led poisening or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer1997 Posted August 28, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,363 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 9 Joined: 11/07/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2010 Now hang on here, Dave.... I think we may be able to get some support for this.... has anyone done research to see how many people who were shot also had LEAD poisoning??? I mean... were tests done??? Perhaps a committee should be formed to study this... we may even be able to get some celebrity participation and a song written about the dangers of lead poisoning to those people being shot. I am so glad you've made us aware!!! NO MORE LEAD BULLETS - STOP THE INSANITY!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted August 28, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 28, 2010 OOPS! Parody from the Weekly Standard. I apologize, but in the current Political environment and with the Leadership this Nation has today. I wouldn't be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amor Posted August 28, 2010 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,194 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 34 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2010 Lead fishing weights were banned here because those that got lost were poisoning wildfowl, swans in particular. See here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunterpoet Posted August 28, 2010 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 128 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,704 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 25 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/29/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1950 Share Posted August 28, 2010 In Ohio, for many years now, it is illegal to hunt over water with lead shot. Steel shot has been available for a long time and does not cost that much more. Water fowl, in the more shallow waters, can ingest shot while feeding off the bottom. I read an article today where the environmental groups were quoting tonnage of lead lost: they stated that 4000 tons of lead sinkers and lures are lost yearly...I would be interested in hearing how they calculated this figure. In Ohio shotguns are the main tool used for upland game, so I can see some merit to the concerns expressed by the environmentalists. Steel shot answers this concern and is affordable. No question in my mind that this is another attempt to regulate guns and gun ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 28, 2010 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,128 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,856 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2010 I think it odd that they fuss about lead in the hands of the general public, but do not rant about the uranium our military uses in it's amunition. What's left of that when it hits something leaves urenium-238 oxide in the environment and is radioactive for a few million years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted August 28, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Jokes aside, more often than not, the source of the problem is not the bullet, nor the gun, it is the nut behind the trigger Ban nuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 28, 2010 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,128 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,856 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2010 Jokes aside, more often than not, the source of the problem is not the bullet, nor the gun, it is the nut behind the trigger Ban nuts? Hummm, now that would much too simple Fez. Hummmm, I just had the thought of who gets to define "nut"..... and all of a sudden it got way non simple. LoL sometimes the things you and Neb bring up give me a headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted August 28, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2010 If lead is polluting the water, I say we should use an alternative (which already exists, btw!) It's simply being smart. Lead could also leach into the tissues of game that people eat. That being said, I don't think this problem is pervasive enough to warrant some huge investigation or shake up of the ammunition industry. Banning lead fishing lures I would support since most of them end up in lakes, streams and the ocean. I don't think it's some shadowy attempt to overthrow the 2nd Amendment; it's simply an example of people who don't have their eyes on the really pressing problems we have at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer1997 Posted August 28, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,363 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 9 Joined: 11/07/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2010 OOPS! Parody from the Weekly Standard. I apologize, but in the current Political environment and with the Leadership this Nation has today. I wouldn't be surprised. So there's not going to be a rally? A parade? Celebrities singing the song written for the lead bullet issue? Bummer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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