Elijah is coming?

[Blien]

Why are we waiting for Elijah to come with (some say Moses or) Enoch? According to the Bible, didn't Elijah already come and was put to death?

Matthew 17:11

Jesus replied, "Elijah is indeed coming first to get everything ready. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, but he wasn't recognized, and they chose to abuse him. And in the same way they will also make the Son of Man suffer."

I don't understand why even some belive Moses is going to come when Moses died also in the wilderness?

Jude 1:9

But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses' body.)

The only one who did not die or return to die was Enoch, so why do so many preachers say Moses or Elijah have yet to return before the last days?

By the way, this is just a topic for fun and I don't want any heated arguments to break out because it's not a salvation matter. Just for fun so please lets not get angry or upset over anything discussed here.. thank you..

[Blien]

Actually from a little research even Enoch has already died.. the book of Hebrews writes this after mentioning many of the patriarchs including Enoch.

Hebrews 11:13

"All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth."

[RebekahDavid]

blessings Blien,

first Elijah did not die physically

2 Kings 2:11:

11And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

second i do think the other witness will be Enoch and not Moses.

love your sister in Christ,

Rebekah David

(John the baptist was being refered to as having the Holy Spirit like Elijah in the gospels )

hope that helps.

love your sister in Christ,

Rebekah David

edited to add

Genesis 5:24:

24And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

[Blien]

Hi Rebekah,

I don't understand, what do you mean he was referred to as having the Holy Spirit? I don't get it?

"But I tell you, Elijah has already come, but he wasn't recognized" ..it sounds very clear to me that John was Elijah. And he prepared the way for the Lord's coming.. "I am the voice of one in the wilderness shouting 'make straight the way for the Lord'"

[other one]

Why are we waiting for Elijah to come with (some say Moses or) Enoch? According to the Bible, didn't Elijah already come and was put to death?

Matthew 17:11

Jesus replied, "Elijah is indeed coming first to get everything ready. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, but he wasn't recognized, and they chose to abuse him. And in the same way they will also make the Son of Man suffer."

I don't understand why even some belive Moses is going to come when Moses died also in the wilderness?

Jude 1:9

But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses' body.)

The only one who did not die or return to die was Enoch, so why do so many preachers say Moses or Elijah have yet to return before the last days?

By the way, this is just a topic for fun and I don't want any heated arguments to break out because it's not a salvation matter. Just for fun so please lets not get angry or upset over anything discussed here.. thank you..

I think John came in the spirit of Elijah, but I'm not sure if that fulfills all the prophesy. I'm interested in everyone's opinion.

I am really in the mood for a good fight over something though...... so watch it brother...... or sister.... or whatever.

[Blien]

As long as it's done with TLC (tender loving care) lol...

[other one]

As long as it's done with TLC (tender loving care) lol...

LoL, we just got back from a cruise and I'm soooo not wanting to be at home.

[Botz]

Why are we waiting for Elijah to come with (some say Moses or) Enoch? According to the Bible, didn't Elijah already come and was put to death?

Matthew 17:11

Jesus replied, "Elijah is indeed coming first to get everything ready. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, but he wasn't recognized, and they chose to abuse him. And in the same way they will also make the Son of Man suffer."

I don't understand why even some belive Moses is going to come when Moses died also in the wilderness?

Jude 1:9

But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses' body.)

The only one who did not die or return to die was Enoch, so why do so many preachers say Moses or Elijah have yet to return before the last days?

By the way, this is just a topic for fun and I don't want any heated arguments to break out because it's not a salvation matter. Just for fun so please lets not get angry or upset over anything discussed here.. thank you..

I think John came in the spirit of Elijah, but I'm not sure if that fulfills all the prophesy. I'm interested in everyone's opinion.

I am really in the mood for a good fight over something though...... so watch it brother...... or sister.... or whatever.

I love a good fight bro lol.

I think Jesus gives us a key when He describes John as Elijah...but only if people can wear it. So in a way John carried the mantle or authority of Elijah...but prophesy has a way of being partially fulfilled, but later more directly and more completely fulfilled....so it would seem that Elijah and Enoch could possibly be the prophets mentioned in Revelation, and who will actullly have a physical presence here on earth. I would like to correlate the Scriptures but have to run, maybe someone else can...Rivka?

[nebula]

What we first need to understand is that in Hebrew thought, time is circular. There is no "one" event, but events are repeated. This is why there's a particular day each year the Jews dread (sometime in August I think) because several bad things happened on that date throughout history (i.e the destruction of the Temple).

The Abomination that Causes Desolation has been cyclical like that - the Greek general who set up an idol to Zeus in the Temple was one, but Jesus spoke of it as a future event. Christians in Jerusalem in 70AD interpreted Jesus' words to correlate with the destruction of Jerusalem, and they fled as He said to do. But there is still the prophecy in Revelation about this.

So with that understanding, the coming of Elijah does not have to be a one time event.

The other Hebrew principle we need to understand is that of "in the name of." Paul explained this concept to Philemon when he told him to treat his servant as if the servant were Paul himself. It's the same principle as being an ambassador, but in the Hebrew (and other Eastern cultures) they regarded one person as another when someone came "in the name of" that other person.

Thus, John the Baptist "was" Elijah in that way.

Mixing this with the principle above, there can/will be another "Elijah" - not the original man, but one "in the name of Elijah."

[other one]

Enoch and Elijah are to be killed by the beast. Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

and will be seen on tv and internet....

Reference,please.

Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

How else can people and kindreds and tongues and nations can see there bodies from around the world except by todays media such as net and tv?

and because of it they will party Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

I don't see where the two are said to be Enoch and Elijah. We just know that there are two live prophets. I think it conjecture on our parts to decide that it is that two.

I don't see why it can't be just two chosen people alive today.