Elijah is coming?

[enoob57]

What we first need to understand is that in Hebrew thought, time is circular. There is no "one" event, but events are repeated. This is why there's a particular day each year the Jews dread (sometime in August I think) because several bad things happened on that date throughout history (i.e the destruction of the Temple).

The Abomination that Causes Desolation has been cyclical like that - the Greek general who set up an idol to Zeus in the Temple was one, but Jesus spoke of it as a future event. Christians in Jerusalem in 70AD interpreted Jesus' words to correlate with the destruction of Jerusalem, and they fled as He said to do. But there is still the prophecy in Revelation about this.

So with that understanding, the coming of Elijah does not have to be a one time event.

The other Hebrew principle we need to understand is that of "in the name of." Paul explained this concept to Philemon when he told him to treat his servant as if the servant were Paul himself. It's the same principle as being an ambassador, but in the Hebrew (and other Eastern cultures) they regarded one person as another when someone came "in the name of" that other person.

Thus, John the Baptist "was" Elijah in that way.

Very good point also the witness of John The Baptist was that he was not Elijah but

Lk 1:17

17 He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, 'to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,' and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."

NKJV

Linking to this understanding

2 Ki 2:15-16

15 Now when the sons of the prophets who were from Jericho saw him, they said, "The spirit of Elijah rests on Elisha." And they came to meet him, and bowed to the ground before him.

NKJV

Mixing this with the principle above, there can/will be another "Elijah" - not the original man, but one "in the name of Elijah."

However the physical dying of Elijah must occure as with Enoch ...

Heb 9:27

27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,

NKJV

Love, Steven

[enoob57]

I think the two witnesses in Rev 11 are going to be Moses and Elijah, because the mount of transfiguration. Luke 9:27-36

I think if you look you will see that it is the Law and The Prophets that are fulfilled in Christ.... Love, Steven

[Bold Believer]

Why are we waiting for Elijah to come with (some say Moses or) Enoch? According to the Bible, didn't Elijah already come and was put to death?

Matthew 17:11

Jesus replied, "Elijah is indeed coming first to get everything ready. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, but he wasn't recognized, and they chose to abuse him. And in the same way they will also make the Son of Man suffer."

I don't understand why even some belive Moses is going to come when Moses died also in the wilderness?

Jude 1:9

But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses' body.)

The only one who did not die or return to die was Enoch, so why do so many preachers say Moses or Elijah have yet to return before the last days?

By the way, this is just a topic for fun and I don't want any heated arguments to break out because it's not a salvation matter. Just for fun so please lets not get angry or upset over anything discussed here.. thank you..

I think John came in the spirit of Elijah, but I'm not sure if that fulfills all the prophesy. I'm interested in everyone's opinion.

I am really in the mood for a good fight over something though...... so watch it brother...... or sister.... or whatever.

Mar 9:13 "But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him."

Case closed.

[Bold Believer]

Enoch and Elijah are to be killed by the beast. Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

and will be seen on tv and internet....

Reference,please.

There is no reference. It's whole cloth error.

The two witnesses are the Law and the Prophets. To what do they witness? The death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. This is the Church of the Neronian presecution, which took the gospel to the whole Roman world by the Law and the Prophets. Nero made war against the Church for 42 months and overcame them and killed them.

[Guest joe_lynch_27]

does Elijah come before the rapture,,, or after

[ayin jade]

How is rapture the 5th seal?

Revelation 6

9 And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held.

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, Until when, Master, holy and true, do You not judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given to each one of them. And it was said to them that they should rest yet for a little time, until both their fellow servants and their brothers (those about to be killed as they were ) should have their number made complete.

I have wondered if the rapture was the 7th seal.

Revelation 8

1 And when He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in Heaven for about half an hour.

I dont see that it is the 5th seal though.

[joi]

Jesus was seen standing next to Moses and Elijah during the transfiguration. Given the fact that there is a heavenly dispute over Moses' body, I'd say the two witnesses are Moses and Elijah.

I believe that Moses and Elijah begin their witnessing at the time of or just after the rapture (5th seal). They have 1260 days and begin those days and are already in the process of witnessing and prophesying when the antichrist is given his 1260 days (slight overlap).

Then what are we to do with "It is appointed unto man once to die- - "?

[enoob57]

If what I read about laser hologram technology is true, tv and internet are not our only choices for us all seeing. They may seem so now, but the beast is to be ourstanding in so called miracles.

I don't believe it will come through gimmick, but by cloning... that which is born of water and blood is soulish that brought about by God but to stipulate this would be redundant if another was not possible to be. That which is cloned violates this and is an abomination and easily used by the spirit of anti-christ! I think because God's Word has said it is permitted for this to be actually done

Da 12:4

4 "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."

NKJV

Mt 24:24

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

KJV

thus deceiving those who look for signs and power from the created thing rather than God's Word of knowledge without end... it will be very effective as the first cloned body is totally destroyed by empirical evidence and the second appears as a no doubt bona fide miracle a very believable miracle... thus deceiving the nations even Israel as the one who was to come! I always been puzzled by this stipulation of God

1 Jn 5:6-7

6 This is He who came by water and blood — Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.

NKJV

but it would seem that there is evidently something else and its purpose is evil for it re-orders the creative design and the dead being used by the dead in deception by the use of God's Word wrongly- a usual and common occurrence for there is no other way for satan but to use truth in error...

Love, Steven

[Ivrit]

Enoch and Elijah are to be killed by the beast. Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

It does not say that in Revelations 11:7. Just because they were not the ones who ever died you presume that it was them? Be careful what you add to scripture especially in Revelations.

In fact the only reference to anyone if you read as to who this is referring to is the two olive trees and two candlesticks that stand before the L-RD.

Who are the two olive trees and candlesticks? We cannot be certain but it makes more sense to believe that it would be Moses as a representative of the Law and Elijah as a representative of the prophets. But again it just doesn't say and we can only guess as to who it's referring.

There are others who believe that it's the Church and Israel, considering Israel is representative of the olive tree and in Revelations chapter 2 the church is represented by the candlestick. I'm not sure I follow either belief because it's just not clear yet but we shall know soon enough.

[joi]

There is no dispute as to the death of Moses.

Joshua 1:1 & 2

Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying,

Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.