The joys of being a Muslim woman by Nonie Darwish

[nebula]

so called christians slaughtered thousands of muslims. in the so called name of God. for what? NOTHING! a ruined city.

You say that as if Muslims didn't likewise slaughter Christians and Jews and anyone else in their way.

Have you heard or read about how Muhammad gained control of Mecca and Medina?

[wyguy]

i guess it wasnt made clear enough. we shouldnt be fighting physically agaisnt anyone else.

First of all, we have every Biblical right to fight physically against anyone who is trying to kill us. You think the muslims just want to join hands with us, let bygones be bygones, and sing Kumbaya with us???

And second. You seem to have an impression of Jesus as being this person who just went around loving everyone and never fought against false teachers or religions - one who was tolerant of everything.

If so, you would be wrong.

Not only, like you mentioned in another post, did Jesus run the money changers out of the Temple, but he did it with a whip. (John 2:15).

Jesus did not tolerate unbelievers in Him. He called them "children of your father - the Devil" (John 8:42-44).

Jesus sure didn't tolerate the Pharisees either. He called them "snakes" a "brood of vipers" "hypocrites" "blind fools" "like whitwashed tombs" (Matthew 23).

Jesus got angry at the Pharisees (Mark 3:5).

Jesus did not tolerate anyone who caused anyone who believed in him to sin. He said it would be better for them "to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea" (Matthew 18:6).

Jesus did not tolerate Peter trying to prevent Him from fulfilling His mission. He even called him "Satan" (Matthew 16:23).

Jesus did not tolerate those who reject the Gospel. He calls them "dogs" and "pigs" (Matthew 7:6).

In Revelation 19:15, Jesus is coming back in "wrath" and "fury"

And Jesus will kill all the wicked when He returns during the Battle of Armageddon (Revelation 19:21) And the birds will gorge themselves on their flesh.

[georgedrw81]

If you can watch in your country BBC Panorama aired November/22 you will make some conclusions. The content itself is not surprising. The radical saying things is not nothing new and we are told so in the world news. The books supplied by a rich oil producing country which is considered a friend is never mentioned in the news.

The important is that the Word of God is not stoppable no matter what humans try to do so otherwise.

God does look after His followers and we as followers do spread His Word. That is a heavenly joy.

Blessings

[nebula]

the close minded will get no more replies from me on this one. vengeance is mine saith the Lord!! you live by the sword you will die by the sword.

So, you wouldn't lift a finger to defend the women who are being abused by Islam?

[nebula]

the close minded will get no more replies from me on this one. vengeance is mine saith the Lord!! you live by the sword you will die by the sword.

So, you wouldn't lift a finger to defend the women who are being abused by Islam?

i shouldnt need to. our constitution should be doing that. but yeah physically if i saw a man beating a women i would defend her to the death. as long as she accepted the help.

OK, so what do you have to say about the OP (opening post)?

Just looking for clarification.

[Guest shiloh357]

if we kicked everyone out that tried to install something other than the constitution we wouldnt have that many people left... our country has the freedom of religion for a reason.

So you think we should surrender our government to the Muslims? Sharia law is not a "religion." It is a legal system. Would you like to live under Sharia law?

Protecting our Constitution does not infringe on freedom of religion.

[MorningGlory]

lemme give you this point of view. if the Muslims were to just group all Christians(denominations) together as one religion an entity as we do them. who would have more of a right to kill the others? so called christians slaughtered thousands of muslims. in the so called name of God. for what? NOTHING! a ruined city. if anyone should be ticked off and on the offensive its them. im not saying they are right. or their religion is right. or we shouldnt fight back. but a lot of people act as if they they are just attacking us out of no where an without any cause.

we should not just swirl them all up into one bag an say these people should be tossed out. they are humans just like us. an sinners just like us. you gotta step in their shoes for a moment. because their shoes are our shoes too. we all wear the same shoes. an they say sinner on the bottom.

No...we do NOT 'all wear the same shoes'. Muslims follow satan (a.k.a. 'allah') while we believers follow the one True God. No comparison can be made and the United States would be immensely better without the muslims scurrying around in the shadows. If they left it to me, all foreign born muslims would be expelled, no immigration would be allowed from predominatly muslim countries and natural born muslims would live under constant scrutiny (they're pretty much doing that now anyway.)

morninglory, did you even read my posts. i never said we have the same religion. the shoes i made an analogy about were sin shoes. meaning we are all just as big a sinner as the next guy. yes people who have been born again in Christ should not be in constant sin. but we have all sinned an come short. just like muslims. and if they repent just like you an i do they can be saved to too...no?

so how is kicking them all out of this country showing them the love of Christ? Christ never kicked anyone out of anywhere except the Holy places. last time i checked muslims arent in our churches and the constitution is not shariah law... <.<

Muslims are a unique species....they aren't open to forgiveness or loving gestures as a rule. Some would be, of course, because we cannot (and should not) paint an entire race, religion, or ethnicity with the same brush. I DID read your posts but I tend to think in absolutes; the subtleties just go right over my head. I agree that we have all sinned and all can be forgiven when they repent. Repentence is a foreign concept in islam; there is no forgiveness and there is no salvation. Please read the Qu'ran before making these noises about being nice to muslims. It will give you a cold helping of reality.

[MorningGlory]

morningglory, do you like the constitution?

Do I LIKE the Constitution???? I'm a ninth generation American, my friend, and I would die for this country and the freedom, religious and otherwise, enjoyed by all who live here. What kind of question is that?

[wyguy]

the close minded will get no more replies from me on this one. vengeance is mine saith the Lord!! you live by the sword you will die by the sword.

Read Luke 22:26:

"He (Jesus) said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

The sword (Greek: Maxairan) is a "dagger or short sword that belongs to the Jewish traveler's equiptment as protection against robbers."

It is perfectly clear from this passage that Jesus approved of self-defense.

And as God, the Holy Spirit, inspired to be written in Exodus 22:2 "If a thief is caught breaking into a house at night and is struck and killed in the process, the person who killed the theif is not guilty of murder."

When Nehemiah was rebuilding the wall around Jerusalem, it was for him and the other men to be armed for self-defense. (Nehemiah 4:16-18)

And the Jews still celebrate the "Feast of Purim" which commemorates the armed self-defense of the Jewish people in Ester 9:1-10.

Etc.

[Guest shiloh357]

"man" thats pretty sad. did Christ kick any pagans out of israel? did he try and remove unbelievers from his sight? no he went among them an witnessed to them. the disciples did the same thing. they didnt try an destroy. they spoke the truth in love.

The problem is that you are comparing two imcomparabe contexts. We are talking about how we as a nation should respond to those who threaten us and our way of life. Those who want to replace our constitution with Sharia law are a threat to the well-being of the nation.

The argument is not that we should kick pagans out of our country for being pagan. The argument is that there is a terrorist element that has no regard for human life and are willling to use any means of indiscriminate killing, torture and damage of property in order to facilitate their own perverted agenda. They purposefully target the most innocent and vulnerable members of a given society and virtually hold a nation hostage in the process. They recognize no moral restriction on themselves whatsoever. They are in some cases irretrievably wicked. There is no ground of commonality, no point from which peaceful dialogue can take place. They cannot be reasoned with or appeased. They use our freedom and our love of life against us. They see their love of death as their greatest weapon.

People like that have to be eliminated from a just and humane society.