Self defense

September 5, 2004

-You do err not knowing the scriptures nor the Power of God.
Those who know not what to say alway resort to name calling, innuendo, diversion, and lies.

-I KNOW-----LET'S CAST THE SPIRIT OF YOSEMITE SAM OUT OF THEM--AMONG ALL THOSE OTHERS-- :x: :oww: MEBBY?? -schizophrenia{split-personality?} -like;"Insanity"? -rejection?woe?-lonliness? -

-& worst of all--"That despicable-divisive-spirit-of-friviolity?mirth?joy?"-ohhhhhhh--woe is us-- :oww:

September 5, 2004

-even the death penalty if their family members died as a result of their inaction.

-Could that"Inaction"also be defined as:

"HYPOCRITICAL--RELIGIOUS-STUPIDITY?"

-How about:

"HYPOCRITICAL--RELIGIOUS--COWARDICE??"

Trinity · September 5, 2004

True story...A man was walking late at night when he noticed three men coming toward him from out of the shadows. He stopped and the three told him to give them all his money. One had a knife. The man said, "I belong to Jesus Christ and the evil one cannot touch me."(1John 5:8) The 3 said, "What did you say?" and he repeted, "I belong to Jesus Christ and the evil one cannot touch me." The robbers laughed and said "give me your credit cards too.

What are you stupid? That will just make them laugh when they kill you rather then just killing you!

You are being RELIGIOUSLY stupid! That will not work. God gave you a resposability, that is to watch over your familys life.

Anonymous · September 5, 2004

Lost...

September 5, 2004

Lost...

-good--don't bother trying to figger it out you will only get More? Confused??-

-ya-know--we do get a woffer passing thru with all their self-righteous hypocritical-

positive confession--& deliberate attacks on the Worthy-members who{according to them?}KNOW NOT THE SCRIPTURES SO WE ARE ALL IN ERROR

-Don't ya know?? :x: :oww:

September 5, 2004

having only read the first two pages, i'm gonna jump in here and give my opinion... and i've expressed this opinion a thousand times to my daughters when they would ask how much i love them and how far i'd go to protect them.

i would kill or die for my daughters.

i've seen several people bring up matthew 5:28, about turning the other cheek. this is not referring to life or death situations. this is referring to insults! in that culture, and indeed even today, a slap in the face is considered the ultimate insult. when one insults you, ignore it. if one slaps your face, give him the other cheek to slap.

if one has a knife to your child's throat, or your wife's throat, shoot him. you do NOT turn the other cheek and look the other way. that is NOT scriptural.

someone please look up the scripture when Jesus commanded his disciples to pick up their swords, and if they did not own one, go purchase one. i just woke up and want to catch up on the rest of the recent posts, so i'll leave it to someone else to post the scripture. Jesus didn't tell people to buy a sword to cut down brush! he told his disciples to purchase a sword for self defense.

regarding Christ's rebuke of peter for slicing the sodier's ear off, there was a reason for that. Jesus had to be taken and crucified to fulfill scripture. had He not replaced the guy's ear and forgiven him, had He allowed peter to get away with slicing off that ear, it would have resulted in peter being killed, which would have prevented him from fulfilling his future in the ministry.

September 5, 2004

nevermind, i just noticed kittyjo already posted the scripture i was referencing.

good job kittyjo!

Trinity · September 5, 2004

having only read the first two pages, i'm gonna jump in here and give my opinion... and i've expressed this opinion a thousand times to my daughters when they would ask how much i love them and how far i'd go to protect them.

i would kill or die for my daughters.

i've seen several people bring up matthew 5:28, about turning the other cheek. this is not referring to life or death situations. this is referring to insults! in that culture, and indeed even today, a slap in the face is considered the ultimate insult. when one insults you, ignore it. if one slaps your face, give him the other cheek to slap.

if one has a knife to your child's throat, or your wife's throat, shoot him. you do NOT turn the other cheek and look the other way. that is NOT scriptural.

someone please look up the scripture when Jesus commanded his disciples to pick up their swords, and if they did not own one, go purchase one. i just woke up and want to catch up on the rest of the recent posts, so i'll leave it to someone else to post the scripture. Jesus didn't tell people to buy a sword to cut down brush! he told his disciples to purchase a sword for self defense.

regarding Christ's rebuke of peter for slicing the sodier's ear off, there was a reason for that. Jesus had to be taken and crucified to fulfill scripture. had He not replaced the guy's ear and forgiven him, had He allowed peter to get away with slicing off that ear, it would have resulted in peter being killed, which would have prevented him from fulfilling his future in the ministry.

Great Post!

other one · September 5, 2004

What are you stupid? That will just make them laugh when they kill you rather then just killing you!

Trinity, your post just brought the thought to me that maybe this question is so basic and the answer is so simple that He (Jesus) didn't think maybe we really needed scripture to tell us what is built into us from the very beginning.

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I might add to all and not just Trinity, that here in Oklahoma you can not use deadly force in protecting your property, only in protecting life, and then if there was a chance to do something else you could still be liable for your actions. (Example: if someone is breaking into your house and you are by yourself and you could slip out a back window but chose to confront a person breaking into your house, you would be at the mercy of the prosecuting attorney as to whether charges are filed)

So, at least here you should be very sure that there is no other way but to kill to protect your and your family's very life, or you could be in trouble, and it is not OK to kill over property. This is also the rules for all our law enforcement people as has been told to me by both sheriff's office people and our Highway Patrol Officers.

Sam

September 5, 2004

Sorry, had to weigh in on this one (albeit a bit late).

I have had many years of training in deadly force in the protection of people and property (high-value government equipment). I trained security forces and instructed them in deadly force doctrine and implementation, including at what point things go from containment to all-out, no-holds-barred protection.

To muddy the water, my current church (Conservative Mennonite) has a strong history of nonresistance. We have had many believers killed because they refused to take up arms (or whatever was handy) and protect their families. I WAS an adherent to that doctrine (mind you, this after a career of building WMD's and force security training).

My mind was changed by my children, as I listened in horror as my two daughters related to me what their "uncle" had done to them over a period of some years. It wasn't enough that this "person" ruined them psychologically for the forseeable future; his girlfriend stood solidly in his corner and called the kids liars (in spite of evidence to the contrary).

So, I agree with the majority of my church doctrine, EXCEPT for nonresistance. I carry a loaded weapon with spare magazines anywhere my kids go, and would not hesitate one second to open fire on anyone or anything threatening them with bodily harm, if such cannot be avoided (This "person" is free and walking the streets; he was "awarded" 120 days in the jail, admonitions to stay away from the kids, and a fine!) I would prefer that he remain away from us, but I can't see limiting my kid's activities due to the failure of the criminal court system. As I told my doctor, "The at-large public is perfectly safe; but if this individual should ever show up near my kids, then I will have to take it as an overt act of aggression against them and deal with it.

Does my church endorse my stance? Certainly not! Do they understand my stance? Yes, and they know that this issue is between the Lord and I...