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Many fundamentalists perhaps? will say Lord Lord, but Christ will say i never knew you. Most all christians i know believe the bible is the inerrant word of God, yet the differences of belief and obedience are as variable as the individual.

I don't understand why you would narrow your statement down to fundamentalists. Are you saying that those who consider themselves to be fundamentalists are more likely not to be Christians at all? If so, I disagree. I think that those who are unable or unwilling to clearly state their beliefs are more likely not to be Christians at all.


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The "Five Solas" are commonly associated with Fundamentalism.

1 - Sola Scriptura: The Scripture Alone is the Standard

Psalms 138:2 KJV I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

2 Timothy 3:14-17 KJV But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

2 - Soli Deo Gloria! For the Glory of God Alone

1 Corinthians 10:31 KJV 31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

1 Peter 4:11 KJV If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 1:6 KJV And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Ephesians 3:21 KJV Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Revelation 7:12 KJV Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Romans 11:36 KJV For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

1 Chronicles 16:23-31 KJV 23 Sing unto the LORD, all the earth; shew forth from day to day his salvation. 24 Declare his glory among the heathen; his marvellous works among all nations. 25 For great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised: he also is to be feared above all gods. 26 For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens. 27 Glory and honour are in his presence; strength and gladness are in his place. 28 Give unto the LORD, ye kindreds of the people, give unto the LORD glory and strength. 29 Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name: bring an offering, and come before him: worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness. 30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. 31 Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice: and let men say among the nations, The LORD reigneth.

3 - Solo Christo! By Christ's Work Alone are We Saved

1 Timothy 2:5-6 KJV For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Colossians 1:13-18 KJV Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Acts 4:12 KJV Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

4 - Sola Gratia: Salvation by Grace Alone

Ephesians 1:6-8 KJV To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Titus 3:4-7 KJV But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Romans 5:15 KJV But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

5 - Sola Fide: Justification by Faith Alone

Galatians 3:6-11 KJV Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Romans 5:1-2 KJV Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.


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Many fundamentalists perhaps? will say Lord Lord, but Christ will say i never knew you. Most all christians i know believe the bible is the inerrant word of God, yet the differences of belief and obedience are as variable as the individual.

I don't understand why you would narrow your statement down to fundamentalists. Are you saying that those who consider themselves to be fundamentalists are more likely not to be Christians at all? If so, I disagree. I think that those who are unable or unwilling to clearly state their beliefs are more likely not to be Christians at all.

hi nChrist, i didnt mean to target fundamentalists, just reminding others that labels and beliefs dont nescessarily mean salvation. Jesus states that the deciding factor is obedience to his commands and that many will claim to be believers (saying Lord Lord) and yet will be found to be promoters of iniquity.

Fundamentalist are perhaps less likely to be decieved, but i wouldnt say immune. Even belief in the 5 sola`s does not equate to salvation, belief must translate into true love for God and neighbour. Would you say the fundamentalist who believes yet has unforgiveness in their life is saved?

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Ok.....

So now....

Who or what is a Muslim fundamentalist?

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He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: John 3:36(a)

Or Not

and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:6(b)


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I don't think, I KNOW I am. :)

Settle down Peter... :thumbsup:

Um, Steven......it's me, Glory. :whistling:

I know the spirit of my friend Peter when I read it.... :thumbsup:

:)

I'm confused ... are you saying ...

Matthew 16:23

But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men." :noidea:

:24:

I see you have life insurance.... :blink:

The best there is! :thumbsup:

Romans 10:13

For


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I don't think, I KNOW I am. :)

Settle down Peter... :thumbsup:

Um, Steven......it's me, Glory. :whistling:

I know the spirit of my friend Peter when I read it.... :thumbsup:

:)

I'm confused ... are you saying ...

Matthew 16:23

But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men." :noidea:

:24:

I see you have life insurance.... :blink:

The best there is! :thumbsup:

Romans 10:13

For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved."

Glory ...... thats what Peter would say.... :)


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I don't think, I KNOW I am. :)

Settle down Peter... :thumbsup:

Um, Steven......it's me, Glory. :whistling:

I know the spirit of my friend Peter when I read it.... :thumbsup:

:)

I'm confused ... are you saying ...

Matthew 16:23

But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men." :noidea:

:24:

I see you have life insurance.... :blink:

The best there is! :thumbsup:

Romans 10:13

For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved."

Glory ...... thats what Peter would say.... :)

Actually, it was Paul! :laugh:


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Many fundamentalists perhaps? will say Lord Lord, but Christ will say i never knew you. Most all christians i know believe the bible is the inerrant word of God, yet the differences of belief and obedience are as variable as the individual.

I don't understand why you would narrow your statement down to fundamentalists. Are you saying that those who consider themselves to be fundamentalists are more likely not to be Christians at all? If so, I disagree. I think that those who are unable or unwilling to clearly state their beliefs are more likely not to be Christians at all.

hi nChrist, i didnt mean to target fundamentalists, just reminding others that labels and beliefs dont nescessarily mean salvation. Jesus states that the deciding factor is obedience to his commands and that many will claim to be believers (saying Lord Lord) and yet will be found to be promoters of iniquity.

Fundamentalist are perhaps less likely to be decieved, but i wouldnt say immune. Even belief in the 5 sola`s does not equate to salvation, belief must translate into true love for God and neighbour. Would you say the fundamentalist who believes yet has unforgiveness in their life is saved?

There is a huge difference between Salvation and exhortations for Christian living. Not one of us would be saved if we had to meet exhortations for Christian living and achieve full obedience to God. This is why not one man has ever been saved by the Law.

Romans 10:17 KJV So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

John 3:16-18 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Romans 10:8-10 KJV But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Titus 3:4-7 KJV But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


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There is a huge difference between Salvation and exhortations for Christian living. Not one of us would be saved if we had to meet exhortations for Christian living and achieve full obedience to God. This is why not one man has ever been saved by the Law.

Romans 10:17 KJV So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

John 3:16-18 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Romans 10:8-10 KJV But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Titus 3:4-7 KJV But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Sorry but i dont see where i was speaking of being justified by the law? I only pointed out that not even claiming to be fundamentalist is proof of salvation. Is there a reason why you didnt answer my question?

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