Question about sin

[~Shalhevet~]

Everyone who resides in him does not sin; everyone who sins has neither seen him nor known him. -1 John 3:6

The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was revealed: to destroy the works of the devil. -1 John 3:8

I thought we all fall short? How can we not sin? He Who says he has no sin decieves himself Right? I'm not understanding this verse and the ones before and after it.

[goldust59]

I think the key to these scriptures is the phrase "practices sin". Think it refers to continuing to sin as lifestyle. At least that's how I understand it.

[Littlelambseativy]

Matthew Henry explains this well.

But our moral infirmities, our proneness to sin, he had not. He that abides in Christ, continues not in the practice of sin. Renouncing sin is the great proof of spiritual union with, continuance in, and saving knowledge of the Lord Christ. Beware of self-deceit. He that doeth righteousness is righteous, and to be a follower of Christ, shows an interest by faith in his obedience and sufferings. But a man cannot act like the devil, and at the same time be a disciple of Christ Jesus. Let us not serve or indulge what the Son of God came to destroy. To be born of God is to be inwardly renewed by the power of the Spirit of God. Renewing grace is an abiding principle. Religion is not an art, a matter of dexterity and skill, but a new nature. And the regenerate person cannot sin as he did before he was born of God, and as others do who are not born again. There is that light in his mind, which shows him the evil and malignity of sin. There is that bias upon his heart, which disposes him to loathe and hate sin. There is the spiritual principle that opposes sinful acts. And there is repentance for sin, if committed. It goes against him to sin with forethought. The children of God and the children of the devil have their distinct characters. The seed of the serpent are known by neglect of religion, and by their hating real Christians. He only is righteous before God, as a justified believer, who is taught and disposed to righteousness by the Holy Spirit. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil. May all professors of the gospel lay these truths to heart, and try themselves by them.

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It is not that we do not sin, but we do not sin as we did before we became His children. The Holy Spirit now reminds us that it is sin and we are loathe to do the things that we did before we became Christians. We know it is wrong and we are convicted of the sin if it is done.

[Guest]

Everyone who resides in him does not sin; everyone who sins has neither seen him nor known him. -1 John 3:6

The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was revealed: to destroy the works of the devil. -1 John 3:8

I thought we all fall short? How can we not sin? He Who says he has no sin deceives himself Right? I'm not understanding this verse and the ones before and after it.

No Jesus

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. Jeremiah 17:5

Jesus

Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. Jeremiah 17:7

No Jesus

Of sin, because they believe not on me; John 16:9

Jesus

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12

No Jesus

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Hebrews 11:6

No Jesus

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Hebrews 6:4-6

No Jesus

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

Jesus

Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, my dearly beloved. Philippians 4:1

Jesus

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

So Trust In Jesus Alone

For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD. But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death. Proverbs 8:35-36

And Be Blessed Beloved Daughter Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

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Trust

Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting. Psalms 139:23-24

[enoob57]

Everyone who resides in him does not sin; everyone who sins has neither seen him nor known him. -1 John 3:6

The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was revealed: to destroy the works of the devil. -1 John 3:8

I thought we all fall short? How can we not sin? He Who says he has no sin decieves himself Right? I'm not understanding this verse and the ones before and after it.

1 John 3:5-8

John used a form of the verb

phanero

[JCISGD]

hi O, John is saying anyone who says they have never sinned is a liar, but the same power that raised Christ from the grave can just as easily circumcise our heart so that all sin is totally unattractive. That is not to say it is not possible under severe temptation to sin and need to run back to the Father for forgiveness and cleansing.

Those that have been entirely sanctified live in entirely different plane than those who have not, John says "if we do sin", this is strong proof that for extended times atleast it is expected we will not sin, but i am confident that after Pentecost the Apostles did not sin, nor did more than a few others throughout history that believed God for His power to sanctify them instantaneously and completley. Paul said he was holy, just, blameless, without fault, having a clear connscience to have done all his duty before God and man, is this not also what Jesus did and claimed as sinlessness.

But you will need to read the accounts and testimonies of those who claim the experience, as those that have not will tell you based on the traditions of man it is not possible. I for one have not yet, but still know it is promised to all believers.

One word of caution, we are not to try to stop sinning, we are to believe God for Him to do it. Only faith is pleasing to God, all trust in our ability is odious and offensive to Him. Another hinderance to obtaining the promise is that many people call things sin, that God does not, such as temptation and thoughts that we do not act on.

Although we are positionally without sin in Christ, God wants us to have His promises experientially as well. What good is apromise never recieved?

[enoob57]

hi O, John is saying anyone who says they have never sinned is a liar, but the same power that raised Christ from the grave can just as easily circumcise our heart so that all sin is totally unattractive. That is not to say it is not possible under severe temptation to sin and need to run back to the Father for forgiveness and cleansing.

Those that have been entirely sanctified live in entirely different plane than those who have not, John says "if we do sin", this is strong proof that for extended times atleast it is expected we will not sin, but i am confident that after Pentecost the Apostles did not sin, nor did more than a few others throughout history that believed God for His power to sanctify them instantaneously and completely. Paul said he was holy, just, blameless, without fault, having a clear connscience to have done all his duty before God and man, is this not also what Jesus did and claimed as sinlessness.

But you will need to read the accounts and testimonies of those who claim the experience, as those that have not will tell you based on the traditions of man it is not possible. I for one have not yet, but still know it is promised to all believers.

One word of caution, we are not to try to stop sinning, we are to believe God for Him to do it. Only faith is pleasing to God, all trust in our ability is odious and offensive to Him. Another hinderance to obtaining the promise is that many people call things sin, that God does not, such as temptation and thoughts that we do not act on.

Although we are positionally without sin in Christ, God wants us to have His promises experientially as well. What good is apromise never recieved?

Heb 4:15-16

15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

NKJV

Only our Lord Jesus Christ may claim this Prize of Truth...

1 John 1:9-10

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

NKJV

I don't believe the length of time between sins we commit have any bearing in that we still in all our pressing toward the mark "sin" and little ones and big ones bear no merit Ja 2:10 but in the faith that one day Christ Will make us able to never ever again trespass against Him AGAIN... This day burns more and more in my heart for as Love dominates more and more of my person less and less of my person desires to remain where sin is so worshipped... Love Steven

[JCISGD]

Heb 4:15-16

15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

NKJV

Only our Lord Jesus Christ may claim this Prize of Truth...

1 John 1:9-10

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

NKJV

I don't believe the length of time between sins we commit have any bearing in that we still in all our pressing toward the mark "sin" and little ones and big ones bear no merit Ja 2:10 but in the faith that one day Christ Will make us able to never ever again trespass against Him AGAIN... This day burns more and more in my heart for as Love dominates more and more of my person less and less of my person desires to remain where sin is so worshipped... Love Steven

Why does it seem impossible that God can remove all sin in this life? are not Elijah and Enoch in heaven in their earthly bodies having never died, yet we know no sin can enter heaven.

Remember it is God who makes us holy and not ourselves lest any man boast.

[Botz]

hi O, John is saying anyone who says they have never sinned is a liar, but the same power that raised Christ from the grave can just as easily circumcise our heart so that all sin is totally unattractive. That is not to say it is not possible under severe temptation to sin and need to run back to the Father for forgiveness and cleansing.

Those that have been entirely sanctified live in entirely different plane than those who have not, John says "if we do sin", this is strong proof that for extended times atleast it is expected we will not sin, but i am confident that after Pentecost the Apostles did not sin, nor did more than a few others throughout history that believed God for His power to sanctify them instantaneously and completley. Paul said he was holy, just, blameless, without fault, having a clear connscience to have done all his duty before God and man, is this not also what Jesus did and claimed as sinlessness.

But you will need to read the accounts and testimonies of those who claim the experience, as those that have not will tell you based on the traditions of man it is not possible. I for one have not yet, but still know it is promised to all believers.

One word of caution, we are not to try to stop sinning, we are to believe God for Him to do it. Only faith is pleasing to God, all trust in our ability is odious and offensive to Him. Another hinderance to obtaining the promise is that many people call things sin, that God does not, such as temptation and thoughts that we do not act on.

Although we are positionally without sin in Christ, God wants us to have His promises experientially as well. What good is apromise never recieved?

JCISGD....this is a rather confusing post.

For a start, your confidence that after Pentecost the Apostles did not sin is based on what? see below:-

Galatians 2:11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. 13 The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all,

[enoob57]

Heb 4:15-16

15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

NKJV

Only our Lord Jesus Christ may claim this Prize of Truth...

1 John 1:9-10

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

NKJV

I don't believe the length of time between sins we commit have any bearing in that we still in all our pressing toward the mark "sin" and little ones and big ones bear no merit Ja 2:10 but in the faith that one day Christ Will make us able to never ever again trespass against Him AGAIN... This day burns more and more in my heart for as Love dominates more and more of my person less and less of my person desires to remain where sin is so worshipped... Love Steven

Why does it seem impossible that God can remove all sin in this life? are not Elijah and Enoch in heaven in their earthly bodies having never died, yet we know no sin can enter heaven.

Remember it is God who makes us holy and not ourselves lest any man boast.

You propose an answer that is unknown!

are not Elijah and Enoch in heaven in their earthly bodies having never died

2 Cor 5:6-8

6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

NKJV

How the Father keeps them is unknown but their purpose is to be witnesses where the Church is no longer present (Rapture) as in the Old Testament before She ever became (Law) ... it is appointed that all men must die!

1 Cor 15:22-28

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For "He has put all things under His feet." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

NKJV

The nature of sin is to blind and thus not see its presence within! The verse I quoted above 1 John 1:9-10 and (not quoted) Rom 7 dispels your theory that we ourselves in our effort may not sin here and now... for then the war against flesh and Spirit would have ended? All men will stand before God but those accepted to be His, in His presence eternally, shall so be because of the Life of Christ and His finished work! No man will ever stand justified for any given moment of life in their own efforts because:

When the Son of God who alone is without sin! Lay beneath His Father begging for another way and yet resigned in the eternal decision of His Fathers will.... THERE WAS NO OTHER WAY FOUND FOR THE FATHER SENT HIS SON TO THE CROSS! Here is understanding the eternal desire for another way and the eternal decision was "no other way" is the throne to which I shall lay prostrate before confessing my unworthiness to be in the presence of such love... in The Righteous Light of His Presence I shall see clearly my nothingness (a emptied vessel made clean by new dirt from a new earth) and the placement of His everythingness into my being and for the first time in all my knowing I shall stand and gaze into the very eyes of my creator knowing that I shall never shame Him again for my shall become His and His shall become my... this is all my hope and stay! The most ugly thing about the idea that we can perform anything of lasting works is the essence of saying there was another way! Love Steven