Judging God

[imoss]

I love it when people try to box God in a package that we, with our feable little minds can comprehend. I can't even comprehend omnipresent let alone judge God for His ways are NOT our ways. As for Gods judgement of supposedly "good people"... Not one of us is good in the eyes of a Holy and Just God. Thankfully he is also merciful and gave us a way in Christ Jesus. Receive or reject... we all have this choice. Anyone in a Christian forum can not plead that they knew not.

I used to be too smart for God too... until he hit me on a spiritual level that is beyond human comprehension. I pray this for you as well.

[Fez]

And I think now that my moral compass (which did not change BTW) is a result of evolutionary pressure.

So you believe that morality evolved from the lower primates?

That is about the most nonsensical statement I have heard from anyone, let alone an atheist.

Scientifically speaking (you are a mathematician are you not?), let me explain it in terms you will understand.

The formula is as follows...

E = BS

(evolution = broken science)

[Guest]

They HAVE no moral code; if there are no eternal consequences for actions, there is no moral code.

Of course they have a moral code. If we need fear of eternal punishement to behave morally,

then humanity would be in a really sorry state indeed.

And they do not judge/hate God (that would be absurd); they judge the contardicting qualities that

believers ascribe to Him (e.g. the sanctioned violence in the OT vs. being benevolent).

They may have a moral code, but the Lord has hardened many of their hearts because they have refused to listen to the call of the Holy Spirit for too long. Just as God has done throughout history. The best example is Pharaoh when Moses was entreating him to let the Jews leave. Their fates are sealed by their own ignorance.

[Guest]

But according to the OT God set down laws and said do not break them they are for your own good - and they are.

He did not deviate one iota from those laws and what He expected of man. He has NEVER deviated from His Word. He is just, and honourable. To judge Him you must first judge yourself according to His laws then and only then can you judge Him. He has not deviated until this very day. He stands firm on His Word and that He will fulfill.

Now I am confused, I have been told that laws like the following applied only in Israel when it was a theocracy.

You seem to indicate hat they are still valid:

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city,

[other one]

And I think now that my moral compass (which did not change BTW) is a result of evolutionary pressure.

So you believe that morality evolved from the lower primates?

That is about the most nonsensical statement I have heard from anyone, let alone an atheist.

Scientifically speaking (you are a mathematician are you not?), let me explain it in terms you will understand.

The formula is as follows...

E = BS

(evolution = broken science)

That's not what BS means in my blue skied world, and our defination fits the subject much better.

[Guest shiloh357]

But according to the OT God set down laws and said do not break them they are for your own good - and they are.

He did not deviate one iota from those laws and what He expected of man. He has NEVER deviated from His Word. He is just, and honourable. To judge Him you must first judge yourself according to His laws then and only then can you judge Him. He has not deviated until this very day. He stands firm on His Word and that He will fulfill.

Now I am confused, I have been told that laws like the following applied only in Israel when it was a theocracy.

You seem to indicate hat they are still valid:

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city,

[nebula]

I don't think I would like to live in a world where rebellious children and adulterers are stoned to death. If I would, I would move

to Iran.

Women in Iran are stoned to death for adultery.

[Guest shiloh357]

But according to the OT God set down laws and said do not break them they are for your own good - and they are.

He did not deviate one iota from those laws and what He expected of man. He has NEVER deviated from His Word. He is just, and honourable. To judge Him you must first judge yourself according to His laws then and only then can you judge Him. He has not deviated until this very day. He stands firm on His Word and that He will fulfill.

Now I am confused, I have been told that laws like the following applied only in Israel when it was a theocracy.

You seem to indicate hat they are still valid:

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city,

[Isaiah 6:8]

I don't think I would like to live in a world where rebellious children and adulterers are stoned to death. If I would, I would move

to Iran.

Women in Iran are stoned to death for adultery.

Yes, that is why I would move there if I liked to see people stoned to death. But I don't like to see that,

that is why I prefer civilized countries.

So again, how did your Morals evolve?

[Fez]

And I am not aware that murders stop in countries where the death penalty is in place. Here in Sweden we have

no such acts of punishement but we enjoy a pretty safe and happy life (at least we did before the Muslims came).

You should come to visit and a have a look

Why would I want to live in a Godless society? (or so your comments about your own country seem to suggest)