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The Word tells us how to treat our enemies, and it is not like that.

Candice, if you saw someone about to rape a child, would you approach the person with love and grace an peace, or would you use whatever force was in your power to stop him? Or would you commend or admonish the Christian man who actually punched the guy to get him to stop?

No one likes war. But unfortunately, when a major group is out to destroy you, it becomes necessary to engage in battle in order to protect your people. And it's stupid to engage if you are not intended to win, which is why Vietnam was such a disaster. It wasn't fought as if to win.


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The Word tells us how to treat our enemies, and it is not like that.

Candice, if you saw someone about to rape a child, would you approach the person with love and grace an peace, or would you use whatever force was in your power to stop him? Or would you commend or admonish the Christian man who actually punched the guy to get him to stop?

No one likes war. But unfortunately, when a major group is out to destroy you, it becomes necessary to engage in battle in order to protect your people. And it's stupid to engage if you are not intended to win, which is why Vietnam was such a disaster. It wasn't fought as if to win.

1 - Bin Laden is already dead. This particular battle has already been won. No immediate risk here.

2 - Just because a tactic can win the war, doesn't mean Christians should engage it in. Does the end justify the means? Nooooo

Neb I've got no problem with them killing OBL because it needed doing. Going beyond that, to wrap him in pig skin, I have huge issues with.

Finding it hard to believe I am the only one seriously disturbed by this.

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The Word tells us how to treat our enemies, and it is not like that.

Those teachings are regarding how we as individuals should deal with people that do us personal harm. It has nothing to do with how a government should react to their enemies. It also has nothing to do with this type of situation because we aren't talking about getting even for the sake of getting even. We are talking about doing something to save lives. We are talking about something to do in order to deter the enemy.

Not only do I disagree with you about the inability to apply this scripture to the "government", I disagree with the motives you assume here. This kind of action does nothing more than give the finger to the enemy. I find no scripture whatsoever that supports this kind of behavior.

This mindset boggles the brain and angers me a little.

Candice, I can go throughout the Old Testament and point to numerous passages that show horrible things being done to the enemies of Israel with the blessings of God. The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament.

Motives do matter. On this we agree. If it is only to "give the finger to the enemy," then we shouldn't do it. If it is a strategy to save lives, then we should. I rarely agree with Shiloh357, but in this case, I believe he is right.


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The Word tells us how to treat our enemies, and it is not like that.

Candice, if you saw someone about to rape a child, would you approach the person with love and grace an peace, or would you use whatever force was in your power to stop him? Or would you commend or admonish the Christian man who actually punched the guy to get him to stop?

No one likes war. But unfortunately, when a major group is out to destroy you, it becomes necessary to engage in battle in order to protect your people. And it's stupid to engage if you are not intended to win, which is why Vietnam was such a disaster. It wasn't fought as if to win.

1 - Bin Laden is already dead. This particular battle has already been won. No immediate risk here.

2 - Just because a tactic can win the war, doesn't mean Christians should engage it in. Does the end justify the means? Nooooo

Neb I've got no problem with them killing OBL because it needed doing. Going beyond that, to wrap him in pig skin, I have huge issues with.

Finding it hard to believe I am the only one seriously disturbed by this.

Well you're not the only one....... but I'm getting tired of people dumping on me for being different..... so I'm just gonna go be last.... at least that's not likely to offend anyone or get me killed by some violent radical person..... on one side or the other.


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The Word tells us how to treat our enemies, and it is not like that.

Those teachings are regarding how we as individuals should deal with people that do us personal harm. It has nothing to do with how a government should react to their enemies. It also has nothing to do with this type of situation because we aren't talking about getting even for the sake of getting even. We are talking about doing something to save lives. We are talking about something to do in order to deter the enemy.

Not only do I disagree with you about the inability to apply this scripture to the "government", I disagree with the motives you assume here. This kind of action does nothing more than give the finger to the enemy. I find no scripture whatsoever that supports this kind of behavior.

This mindset boggles the brain and angers me a little.

Candice, I can go throughout the Old Testament and point to numerous passages that show horrible things being done to the enemies of Israel with the blessings of God. The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament.

Motives do matter. On this we agree. If it is only to "give the finger to the enemy," then we shouldn't do it. If it is a strategy to save lives, then we should. I rarely agree with Shiloh357, but in this case, I believe he is right.

The issue here is that this has not been given the blessing of God. God hasn't told anyone to wrap OBL in pig skin. If He did, then no worries. Actions like that done in the will of God are awkward but necessary. Actions like that done outside the will of God are just asinine. Given that I don't believe anyone has received word from Him to do this, I just find it stemming from a bad motive.


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Well you're not the only one....... but I'm getting tired of people dumping on me for being different..... so I'm just gonna go be last.... at least that's not likely to offend anyone or get me killed by some violent radical person..... on one side or the other.

Sam :emot-hug:

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The Word tells us how to treat our enemies, and it is not like that.

Those teachings are regarding how we as individuals should deal with people that do us personal harm. It has nothing to do with how a government should react to their enemies. It also has nothing to do with this type of situation because we aren't talking about getting even for the sake of getting even. We are talking about doing something to save lives. We are talking about something to do in order to deter the enemy.

Not only do I disagree with you about the inability to apply this scripture to the "government", I disagree with the motives you assume here. This kind of action does nothing more than give the finger to the enemy. I find no scripture whatsoever that supports this kind of behavior.

This mindset boggles the brain and angers me a little.

Candice, I can go throughout the Old Testament and point to numerous passages that show horrible things being done to the enemies of Israel with the blessings of God. The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament.

Motives do matter. On this we agree. If it is only to "give the finger to the enemy," then we shouldn't do it. If it is a strategy to save lives, then we should. I rarely agree with Shiloh357, but in this case, I believe he is right.

The issue here is that this has not been given the blessing of God. God hasn't told anyone to wrap OBL in pig skin. If He did, then no worries. Actions like that done in the will of God are awkward but necessary. Actions like that done outside the will of God are just asinine. Given that I don't believe anyone has received word from Him to do this, I just find it stemming from a bad motive.

I doubt Obama was told directly by God or through a prophet of God to take Bin Laden out? :noidea: If we wait on a divine revelation before we do anything, nothing will get done. Did God tell anyone to give Bin Laden a burial at sea? :noidea:


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2 - Just because a tactic can win the war, doesn't mean Christians should engage it in. Does the end justify the means? Nooooo

Neb I've got no problem with them killing OBL because it needed doing. Going beyond that, to wrap him in pig skin, I have huge issues with.

OK, I understand your position better. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Well, I see things different than you do on account of the number of vets and current military personnel in my immediate and extended family. I was raised with an appreciation for the military mindset.

Since we are dealing with an enemy with a religious system that offers them a better afterlife if they die a martyr, then as far as military options go (not missionary option, military options), I tend to side with the method that discourages their attempts at matyrdom . . . if that means using pigs in a way that in their eyes robs them of the afterlife they sought after, then so be it.

And since I have no more respect for a their idolatrous religion than then the prophets did to Baalism, I do not have a problem with giving Islam the same disrespect the prophets gave Baal.

I don't see any New Testament evidence for treating false religions with respect, either. If you one or two, I'm all ears.


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Neb, this isn't about offering false religions respect, but obeying what the Word says about how to treat those who do wrong to us.


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Neb, this isn't about offering false religions respect, but obeying what the Word says about how to treat those who do wrong to us.

Well, that's our problem.

I'm looking at this from the perspective of military tactics, not personal offenses.

:noidea:

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