The Rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3

[rollinTHUNDER]

Hey Rollinthunder, did you catch my post that replied to yours?

Yes I saw it, but I'm too tired to reply to that right now, so look for it tomorrow.

Did you catch my post directly above yours? I answered the question you were asking about the sun, moon and stars in Matt.24/Rev.6.

[rollinTHUNDER]

why won't you answer the question?

Do these two passages of scripture, quoting Jesus, speak of the same moment in time?

Matt 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken

compare to:

Rev 6:12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Okay, I'll answer your question. The answer is no, these two verses do not point to the same point in time.

As you can see, in Matt. 24:29 no moon is seen at all, because it is a new moon, which is exactly the way the moon would appear just before the feast of trumpets begins. A great possibility exists that this could be when the rapture is about to occur. As soon as the moon is sighted, the feast begins, and remember, the rapture takes place at the last trump.

But the moon seen in Rev. 6:12 is a blood moon. This is a total lunar eclipse, which makes the moon appear red. Here's a link to show what I mean: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/watchtheskies/13oct_lunareclipse.html

So these are completely different times.

#1. You are making assumptions. You are ASSUMING that "the moon shall not give her light" refers to a new moon. There's no scriptural reason to assume that. The fact that Jesus said "the sun shall be darkened" TELLS YOU WHY the moon shall not give her light because the moon reflects the light from the sun!

#2. The rapture is a Springtime event (see Song of Solomon 2: 8-13 and Joel 1/2)

#3. The last trump refers to the last Jubilee. Trump/Trumpet means Jubilee. See Leviticus.

#4. There is no reason to assume that the red moon is a lunar eclipse. The moon turns red with dust in the air as well. When you look at all the scriptures (and there are many) that speak of this moment in time, it's not an eclipse that's causing the sun/moon to darken and the stars to fall.

Jesus said in the 29th verse that immediately after the tribulation ends, the sun and moon darken and the stars fall for the powers of the heavens are shaken.

You don't think that's what's going on in Revelation 6? Because in Revelation 6, I see the sun and moon darken, the stars falling and people running around and hiding because the Day of wrath is beginning!

Then, in Joel 2, we see the sun and moon darkening/stars falling because the Day of the Lord is beginning!

Then, Isaiah 13 spells it out, yet again:

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Isa 13:12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

Isa 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

All four of those are speaking of the exact same moment in time. I'm disappointed that you can't see it.

There is no assumption on my part. The scripture makes it very clear. The sun is not giving its light because it will be dark in Jerusalem at that time, which is why you will see the stars falling, but you won't see the moon because it will be a new moon. Plain and simple.

You are way off the mark in several different areas. And just so you know, the rapture will not be a spring time event either. Why? Because Christ has already fulfilled all of the spring time feasts in the first advent or when He came the first time. All of the feasts that were not fulfilled at the first coming of Christ, they will be fulfilled in the fall feasts in His second coming.

[rollinTHUNDER]

why won't you answer the question?

Do these two passages of scripture, quoting Jesus, speak of the same moment in time?

Matt 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken

compare to:

Rev 6:12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Okay, I'll answer your question. The answer is no, these two verses do not point to the same point in time.

As you can see, in Matt. 24:29 no moon is seen at all, because it is a new moon, which is exactly the way the moon would appear just before the feast of trumpets begins. A great possibility exists that this could be when the rapture is about to occur. As soon as the moon is sighted, the feast begins, and remember, the rapture takes place at the last trump.

But the moon seen in Rev. 6:12 is a blood moon. This is a total lunar eclipse, which makes the moon appear red. Here's a link to show what I mean: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/watchtheskies/13oct_lunareclipse.html

So these are completely different times.

#1. You are making assumptions. You are ASSUMING that "the moon shall not give her light" refers to a new moon. There's no scriptural reason to assume that. The fact that Jesus said "the sun shall be darkened" TELLS YOU WHY the moon shall not give her light because the moon reflects the light from the sun!

#2. The rapture is a Springtime event (see Song of Solomon 2: 8-13 and Joel 1/2)

#3. The last trump refers to the last Jubilee. Trump/Trumpet means Jubilee. See Leviticus.

#4. There is no reason to assume that the red moon is a lunar eclipse. The moon turns red with dust in the air as well. When you look at all the scriptures (and there are many) that speak of this moment in time, it's not an eclipse that's causing the sun/moon to darken and the stars to fall.

Jesus said in the 29th verse that immediately after the tribulation ends, the sun and moon darken and the stars fall for the powers of the heavens are shaken.

You don't think that's what's going on in Revelation 6? Because in Revelation 6, I see the sun and moon darken, the stars falling and people running around and hiding because the Day of wrath is beginning!

Then, in Joel 2, we see the sun and moon darkening/stars falling because the Day of the Lord is beginning!

Then, Isaiah 13 spells it out, yet again:

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Isa 13:12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

Isa 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

All four of those are speaking of the exact same moment in time. I'm disappointed that you can't see it.

There is no assumption on my part. The scripture makes it very clear. The sun is not giving its light because it will be dark in Jerusalem at that time, which is why you will see the stars falling, but you won't see the moon because it will be a new moon. Plain and simple.

Prove it with scripture. Everything you have said are assumptions with no Biblical basis.

You are not being forthright. For example, you said:

"There is no assumption on my part. The scripture makes it very clear. The sun is not giving its light because it will be dark in Jerusalem at that time, which is why you will see the stars falling, but you won't see the moon because it will be a new moon. Plain and simple."

Show me "the scripture that makes it very clear" that "the sun is not givig it's light because it will be dark in Jerusalem at that time"!!!!! What scripture says this????

Show me "the scrpture that makes it very clear" that "you won't see the moon because it will be a new moon". What scripture are you referring to????

If it's so "plain and simple", then you should have NO PROBLEM posting the scriptures that PROVE what you are saying.

You are pulling these unbiblical assumptions out of nowhere and attempting to pass it off as Truth. It's shameful. The Truth is that you can't prove what you said "scripture makes clear" because there are no scriptures that prove what you said is true.

I won't hold my breath for an honest, honorable reply WITH SCRIPTURES.

Is there anyone out there who trusts what God actually said?

Onelight and Rollingthunder are both telling me that scripture says things that it LITERALLY, ACTUALLY does not say!!!

Rollingthunder's example is in this post. Onelight said the great tribulation is over in the 7th bowl but when I look at Rev 16 describing the 7th bowl, the great tribulation is not mentioned there AT ALL.

God doesn't lie and He is the only one we can trust. I believe HIM.

I was commenting on the verses that you posted yourself, so why should it be necessary for me to re-post them? Can't you see it above in your own post, or don't you remember posting it? You can still see it (Matt.24:29) above in this post.

The scripture is not the issue. What is at issue here is your mis-interpretation of the scriptures. Again, Matt.24:29 and Rev.6:12 do not and can not happen at the same time, because of the phases of the moon being different.

You are either very dense, or unwilling to admit you are wrong and just trying to save face.

There are only two reasons the moon wouldn't be seen. Either it is in the new moon phase or our view of it is being blocked by thick cloud cover or heavy smoke. We know that it wasn't the latter in the case of Matt.24:29 because the sky was clear enough to see the stars falling. So it is a new moon, no question about it.

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, rollinTHUNDER.

why won't you answer the question?

Do these two passages of scripture, quoting Jesus, speak of the same moment in time?

Matt 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken

compare to:

Rev 6:12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Okay, I'll answer your question. The answer is no, these two verses do not point to the same point in time.

As you can see, in Matt. 24:29 no moon is seen at all, because it is a new moon, which is exactly the way the moon would appear just before the feast of trumpets begins. A great possibility exists that this could be when the rapture is about to occur. As soon as the moon is sighted, the feast begins, and remember, the rapture takes place at the last trump.

But the moon seen in Rev. 6:12 is a blood moon. This is a total lunar eclipse, which makes the moon appear red. Here's a link to show what I mean: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/watchtheskies/13oct_lunareclipse.html

So these are completely different times.

#1. You are making assumptions. You are ASSUMING that "the moon shall not give her light" refers to a new moon. There's no scriptural reason to assume that. The fact that Jesus said "the sun shall be darkened" TELLS YOU WHY the moon shall not give her light because the moon reflects the light from the sun!

#2. The rapture is a Springtime event (see Song of Solomon 2: 8-13 and Joel 1/2)

#3. The last trump refers to the last Jubilee. Trump/Trumpet means Jubilee. See Leviticus.

#4. There is no reason to assume that the red moon is a lunar eclipse. The moon turns red with dust in the air as well. When you look at all the scriptures (and there are many) that speak of this moment in time, it's not an eclipse that's causing the sun/moon to darken and the stars to fall.

Jesus said in the 29th verse that immediately after the tribulation ends, the sun and moon darken and the stars fall for the powers of the heavens are shaken.

You don't think that's what's going on in Revelation 6? Because in Revelation 6, I see the sun and moon darken, the stars falling and people running around and hiding because the Day of wrath is beginning!

Then, in Joel 2, we see the sun and moon darkening/stars falling because the Day of the Lord is beginning!

Then, Isaiah 13 spells it out, yet again:

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Isa 13:12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

Isa 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

All four of those are speaking of the exact same moment in time. I'm disappointed that you can't see it.

There is no assumption on my part. The scripture makes it very clear. The sun is not giving its light because it will be dark in Jerusalem at that time, which is why you will see the stars falling, but you won't see the moon because it will be a new moon. Plain and simple.

Prove it with scripture. Everything you have said are assumptions with no Biblical basis.

You are not being forthright. For example, you said:

"There is no assumption on my part. The scripture makes it very clear. The sun is not giving its light because it will be dark in Jerusalem at that time, which is why you will see the stars falling, but you won't see the moon because it will be a new moon. Plain and simple."

Show me "the scripture that makes it very clear" that "the sun is not givig it's light because it will be dark in Jerusalem at that time"!!!!! What scripture says this????

Show me "the scrpture that makes it very clear" that "you won't see the moon because it will be a new moon". What scripture are you referring to????

If it's so "plain and simple", then you should have NO PROBLEM posting the scriptures that PROVE what you are saying.

You are pulling these unbiblical assumptions out of nowhere and attempting to pass it off as Truth. It's shameful. The Truth is that you can't prove what you said "scripture makes clear" because there are no scriptures that prove what you said is true.

I won't hold my breath for an honest, honorable reply WITH SCRIPTURES.

Is there anyone out there who trusts what God actually said?

Onelight and Rollingthunder are both telling me that scripture says things that it LITERALLY, ACTUALLY does not say!!!

Rollingthunder's example is in this post. Onelight said the great tribulation is over in the 7th bowl but when I look at Rev 16 describing the 7th bowl, the great tribulation is not mentioned there AT ALL.

God doesn't lie and He is the only one we can trust. I believe HIM.

I was commenting on the verses that you posted yourself, so why should it be necessary for me to re-post them? Can't you see it above in your own post, or don't you remember posting it? You can still see it (Matt.24:29) above in this post.

The scripture is not the issue. What is at issue here is your mis-interpretation of the scriptures. Again, Matt.24:29 and Rev.6:12 do not and can not happen at the same time, because of the phases of the moon being different.

You are either very dense, or unwilling to admit you are wrong and just trying to save face.

There are only two reasons the moon wouldn't be seen. Either it is in the new moon phase or our view of it is being blocked by thick cloud cover or heavy smoke. We know that it wasn't the latter in the case of Matt.24:29 because the sky was clear enough to see the stars falling. So it is a new moon, no question about it.

There are other reasons why the moon wouldn't be seen; it could be eclipsed by something! What is the point in making a prophecy about natural events that occur all the time? Where's the mystery in that?! C'mon, you know that there's a new moon EVERY MONTH! Why make a point about something that could be fulfilled EVERY MONTH? Nor is it a normal eclipse! Eclipses by smoke can occur randomly as history has shown. In fact, Yirmeyahu (Jeremiah) pointed out such an eclipse when the Land of Isra'el was attacked by the armies from the north, armies coming around the Fertile Crescent from Bavel (Babylon). Lunar eclipses can happen as often as seven times in a single year! So, again, this won't be a normal eclipse! If these are events that are used to identify the background of a single event, then they must be UNIQUE events!

The events described in Rev. 6:12 and following through the fifth trumpet and ALL events associated with things falling from the sky! Yochanan is describing a collision of planetary objects! Some comet tail or asteroid fragments WILL - in God's timetable - be colliding with earth! Rev. 6:12 describes the gravitational shift from such an event as a "great earthquake." The "sun turning black" and "the whole moon turning blood red" describe their eclipse, either from the smoke associated with the "great earthquake" or from the eclipse of them from large parts of the planetary object colliding with us. Rev. 6:12 goes on to describe herald meteors and meteorites of the event in the "stars in the sky falling to the earth!" Rev. 8:7 describes further meteors and meteorites as "hail and fire mixed with blood" burning up a third of the trees and all green grass where they fall! Rev. 8:8 describes a particular meteorite striking the sea (probably the Mediterranean Sea) causing a third of the sea creatures to die and a third of the ships upon its waters to be destroyed. Rev. 8:10 describes a great star, sputtering like a torch, poisoning a third of the rivers and fresh water springs. It was named "Absinthos," the Greek word that is the root of the name of the liquor "absynthe," a green liquor that can be poisonous in large quantities, which is why it was outlawed and banned in the USA. Rev. 8:12 talks about "a third of the sun being struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark," and a third of the day and a third of the night was without light. Rev. 9:1 talks about a star falling from the sky to the earth and opening up a shaft to the "abussos," a pit with an "unsounded bottom."

Such a chain of events could be EXACTLY what Yeshua` was describing in Matt. 24:29! Not only does it describe the sun and the moon not giving their light, but also "the stars shall fall from the sky" and "the powers of the skies shall be shaken." That last phrase is often missed because people don't define "ouranos," or "ouranoi" its plural, as the "sky" or the "skies" anymore. They've got it in their heads that "heaven" is "God's abode." But, the "hai dunameis toon ouranoon saleutheesontai," or "the powers of the skies shall be shaken" are "the WEATHER PATTERNS of the skies being disrupted!" I believe this IS EXACTLY what Yeshua` was describing!

C'mon, people! Quit living in the Dark Ages! THINK about what the Scriptures are describing!

[rollinTHUNDER]

Shalom, rollinTHUNDER.

why won't you answer the question?

Do these two passages of scripture, quoting Jesus, speak of the same moment in time?

Matt 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken

compare to:

Rev 6:12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Okay, I'll answer your question. The answer is no, these two verses do not point to the same point in time.

As you can see, in Matt. 24:29 no moon is seen at all, because it is a new moon, which is exactly the way the moon would appear just before the feast of trumpets begins. A great possibility exists that this could be when the rapture is about to occur. As soon as the moon is sighted, the feast begins, and remember, the rapture takes place at the last trump.

But the moon seen in Rev. 6:12 is a blood moon. This is a total lunar eclipse, which makes the moon appear red. Here's a link to show what I mean: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/watchtheskies/13oct_lunareclipse.html

So these are completely different times.

#1. You are making assumptions. You are ASSUMING that "the moon shall not give her light" refers to a new moon. There's no scriptural reason to assume that. The fact that Jesus said "the sun shall be darkened" TELLS YOU WHY the moon shall not give her light because the moon reflects the light from the sun!

#2. The rapture is a Springtime event (see Song of Solomon 2: 8-13 and Joel 1/2)

#3. The last trump refers to the last Jubilee. Trump/Trumpet means Jubilee. See Leviticus.

#4. There is no reason to assume that the red moon is a lunar eclipse. The moon turns red with dust in the air as well. When you look at all the scriptures (and there are many) that speak of this moment in time, it's not an eclipse that's causing the sun/moon to darken and the stars to fall.

Jesus said in the 29th verse that immediately after the tribulation ends, the sun and moon darken and the stars fall for the powers of the heavens are shaken.

You don't think that's what's going on in Revelation 6? Because in Revelation 6, I see the sun and moon darken, the stars falling and people running around and hiding because the Day of wrath is beginning!

Then, in Joel 2, we see the sun and moon darkening/stars falling because the Day of the Lord is beginning!

Then, Isaiah 13 spells it out, yet again:

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Isa 13:12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

Isa 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

All four of those are speaking of the exact same moment in time. I'm disappointed that you can't see it.

There is no assumption on my part. The scripture makes it very clear. The sun is not giving its light because it will be dark in Jerusalem at that time, which is why you will see the stars falling, but you won't see the moon because it will be a new moon. Plain and simple.

Prove it with scripture. Everything you have said are assumptions with no Biblical basis.

You are not being forthright. For example, you said:

"There is no assumption on my part. The scripture makes it very clear. The sun is not giving its light because it will be dark in Jerusalem at that time, which is why you will see the stars falling, but you won't see the moon because it will be a new moon. Plain and simple."

Show me "the scripture that makes it very clear" that "the sun is not givig it's light because it will be dark in Jerusalem at that time"!!!!! What scripture says this????

Show me "the scrpture that makes it very clear" that "you won't see the moon because it will be a new moon". What scripture are you referring to????

If it's so "plain and simple", then you should have NO PROBLEM posting the scriptures that PROVE what you are saying.

You are pulling these unbiblical assumptions out of nowhere and attempting to pass it off as Truth. It's shameful. The Truth is that you can't prove what you said "scripture makes clear" because there are no scriptures that prove what you said is true.

I won't hold my breath for an honest, honorable reply WITH SCRIPTURES.

Is there anyone out there who trusts what God actually said?

Onelight and Rollingthunder are both telling me that scripture says things that it LITERALLY, ACTUALLY does not say!!!

Rollingthunder's example is in this post. Onelight said the great tribulation is over in the 7th bowl but when I look at Rev 16 describing the 7th bowl, the great tribulation is not mentioned there AT ALL.

God doesn't lie and He is the only one we can trust. I believe HIM.

I was commenting on the verses that you posted yourself, so why should it be necessary for me to re-post them? Can't you see it above in your own post, or don't you remember posting it? You can still see it (Matt.24:29) above in this post.

The scripture is not the issue. What is at issue here is your mis-interpretation of the scriptures. Again, Matt.24:29 and Rev.6:12 do not and can not happen at the same time, because of the phases of the moon being different.

You are either very dense, or unwilling to admit you are wrong and just trying to save face.

There are only two reasons the moon wouldn't be seen. Either it is in the new moon phase or our view of it is being blocked by thick cloud cover or heavy smoke. We know that it wasn't the latter in the case of Matt.24:29 because the sky was clear enough to see the stars falling. So it is a new moon, no question about it.

There are other reasons why the moon wouldn't be seen; it could be eclipsed by something! What is the point in making a prophecy about natural events that occur all the time? Where's the mystery in that?! C'mon, you know that there's a new moon EVERY MONTH! Why make a point about something that could be fulfilled EVERY MONTH? Nor is it a normal eclipse! Eclipses by smoke can occur randomly as history has shown. In fact, Yirmeyahu (Jeremiah) pointed out such an eclipse when the Land of Isra'el was attacked by the armies from the north, armies coming around the Fertile Crescent from Bavel (Babylon). Lunar eclipses can happen as often as seven times in a single year! So, again, this won't be a normal eclipse! If these are events that are used to identify the background of a single event, then they must be UNIQUE events!

The events described in Rev. 6:12 and following through the fifth trumpet and ALL events associated with things falling from the sky! Yochanan is describing a collision of planetary objects! Some comet tail or asteroid fragments WILL - in God's timetable - be colliding with earth! Rev. 6:12 describes the gravitational shift from such an event as a "great earthquake." The "sun turning black" and "the whole moon turning blood red" describe their eclipse, either from the smoke associated with the "great earthquake" or from the eclipse of them from large parts of the planetary object colliding with us. Rev. 6:12 goes on to describe herald meteors and meteorites of the event in the "stars in the sky falling to the earth!" Rev. 8:7 describes further meteors and meteorites as "hail and fire mixed with blood" burning up a third of the trees and all green grass where they fall! Rev. 8:8 describes a particular meteorite striking the sea (probably the Mediterranean Sea) causing a third of the sea creatures to die and a third of the ships upon its waters to be destroyed. Rev. 8:10 describes a great star, sputtering like a torch, poisoning a third of the rivers and fresh water springs. It was named "Absinthos," the Greek word that is the root of the name of the liquor "absynthe," a green liquor that can be poisonous in large quantities, which is why it was outlawed and banned in the USA. Rev. 8:12 talks about "a third of the sun being struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark," and a third of the day and a third of the night was without light. Rev. 9:1 talks about a star falling from the sky to the earth and opening up a shaft to the "abussos," a pit with an "unsounded bottom."

Such a chain of events could be EXACTLY what Yeshua` was describing in Matt. 24:29! Not only does it describe the sun and the moon not giving their light, but also "the stars shall fall from the sky" and "the powers of the skies shall be shaken." That last phrase is often missed because people don't define "ouranos," or "ouranoi" its plural, as the "sky" or the "skies" anymore. They've got it in their heads that "heaven" is "God's abode." But, the "hai dunameis toon ouranoon saleutheesontai," or "the powers of the skies shall be shaken" are "the WEATHER PATTERNS of the skies being disrupted!" I believe this IS EXACTLY what Yeshua` was describing!

C'mon, people! Quit living in the Dark Ages! THINK about what the Scriptures are describing!

Whose making a prophecy about it?

She's claiming that Matt. 24:29 and Rev. 6:12 happen at the same time, but the appearance of the moon says otherwise. Wasn't it you that tried to make the same claim in another thread? I believe that was you, so now you are both wrong.

[mizzdy]

We now have another thread in which we have the anti-Spirit mindset of 'I'm right-your wrong'. We can all put out God's words, post tons of scriptures and we can still be wrong. When we incorrectly say we have the correct understanding just because we post His words we are standing in the place of God and His Spirit, when we will not have a real dialogue between one another we are not showing His Spirit. Insistance that one has 'the' correct understanding we become as if we are Moses, given Gods council alone. There are certainly many things in scriptures we can be most certain about, prophecy is not one of them despite the best efforts of us all we do not fully understand them nor can we tell others how its all going to play out.

This thread is closed.