How biblical is this?

[undone]

By the way, the teacher/author is Pastor Larry Huch.

[LadyRaven]

By the way, the teacher/author is Pastor Larry Huch.

Isn't this the man who said Christ had to shed his blood seven times?

[jackie d]

I would like to ask you jackie d What does one have to do to get rid of a generational curse off of their life? Do you have a formula or solution to break this so called generational curse?

the only thing that I know of OC is to turn our backs on the sin that is under this curse..let's take addiction-alcoholism for example-studies through medicine and science state that addiction is inherited. Many Christians state that addiction is sin. If medicine says it is hereditary and Christians say that it is sin. Then would it not make sense that for a person to break this generational "curse" would be to either never drink or drug if aware of the curse or to stop using it? I was addicted, my father, my father's father, my grandmother on my mom's side...many more members of my family can be traced back through the generations to show that they have all suffered from this "curse"..I no longer use..therefore I am no longer under the "curse"...I sought redemption through Christ..thus making me free from this curse through His forgiveness and healing of the "curse"

I suppose if we wanted to be politically correct we could use another word for what I have described..one of the least politically correct people I have ever known was Christ...what do you think? Would He call addiction a "generational curse" or would He go with a more suitable description in today's world like maybe....Hereditary mental/genetic disease?

blessings

Edited October 31, 2006 by jackie d

[undone]

By the way, the teacher/author is Pastor Larry Huch.

Isn't this the man who said Christ had to shed his blood seven times?

Yes, that is included in his book.

[undone]

No, as I posted before the NT says that Christ took the curse for us, therefore if you are saved there is no more curse. Of any kind.

We cannot read into what Paul says and assume that his readers have asked anything. If they had, it would be there for us to see if it mattered in the first place. Scripture is sufficient, therefore if we are to base a theology on the idea that someone should have known something, scripture would make it clear that they did/or should have known. As shown when Christ reprimands bible scholars for not knowing things (Nicodemus....) they should have figured out.

[LadyRaven]

By the way, the teacher/author is Pastor Larry Huch.

Isn't this the man who said Christ had to shed his blood seven times?

Yes, that is included in his book.

Well that teaching is outside of the realm of orthodoxy. In other words, that is heretical doctrine. Since the man has taught heretical doctrine, you should discount everything he's ever said. Do not ever listen to heretic preaching.

[eric]

I have only read part of this thread, but in answer to the OP, my conclusion is this. without quoting the whole text, in Gal.3:13, Paul informed us that, Christ redeemed us out of the curse of the law, having become a curse on our behalf.

So if you are under grace and not under the law, how can you possibly be under a curse if you are a blood-covered christian? If you say you are under a curse then you are saying you are demon possessed. Anyway that is my understanding.

e

[undone]

By the way, the teacher/author is Pastor Larry Huch.

Isn't this the man who said Christ had to shed his blood seven times?

Yes, that is included in his book.

Well that teaching is outside of the realm of orthodoxy. In other words, that is heretical doctrine. Since the man has taught heretical doctrine, you should discount everything he's ever said. Do not ever listen to heretic preaching.

I don't disagree with you. Assuming a heretic is teaching some heretical, I wonder what benefit there is to teaching such things. Prosperity Preaching offers an obvious gain for the preacher. I suppose it could be so that he appears to have something new so people will listen to him and maybe buy his book. (By the way, I didn't buy the book, my sister did and wanted my input). I've not heard this particular line of teaching before and thought it odd that it escaped the attention of the church for generations. Not whether curses exist because clearly they do, but his particular premise is unusual.

Maybe a sign of the times, huh?

[jackie d]

I have only read part of this thread, but in answer to the OP, my conclusion is this. without quoting the whole text, in Gal.3:13, Paul informed us that, Christ redeemed us out of the curse of the law, having become a curse on our behalf.

So if you are under grace and not under the law, how can you possibly be under a curse if you are a blood-covered christian? If you say you are under a curse then you are saying you are demon possessed. Anyway that is my understanding.

e

right on eric.

Edited October 31, 2006 by jackie d

[Openly Curious]

The teacher's premise is that generational curses still exist and that it is one of the reasons we may struggle with a particular sin. He used the example that we all hear from time to time when someone says, "like mother, like daughter" or "like father, like son".

Openly Curious

This example is only true in way of our images. Like the son looks just like his father and he is the spliting image of you. We have similiar ways as our parent cause it's kinda like the culture at home we was brought up in that only the family understands. But these likenesses and similar ways have nothing to do with generational curses because my great great great great grand dad of the 4th generation before me was a horse thief and was a fornicator. That does not mean that my grand dad's sin is going to visit me in my lifetime nor any of my kids or my family members before of after him.

That is wrong thinking. The fact of the matter is sin entered into this world through the fall in the garden that is how it got here on this earth. It was because the serpent deceived the woman from that point on sin started to grow and progress in this world it abounded as the word teaches us.

UNDONE

He used the Proverb listed below to demonstrate that a curse can be like a bird that may pass one generation and come to rest on a grandchild or great grandchild (up to four generations). He claims your great grandfather may have been a whore monger in his youth and no one in the family ever knew it, but all the sudden you realize you struggle with this problem and don't know why. It can be any sin problem. Comments?

OPENLY CURIOUS

Like I said above I think we exibit physical traits of our relatives and they can be seen in us. But the influence of sin is not from our relatives at all but it from the prince of the power of the air and his minions for we wrestle not with flesh and blood. It is in the atmosphere that Satan brings temptations to mankind to sin against God. We are all subject to the temptations of the flesh as mentioned in Galatian 5 for instance. These sins are not uncommon to mankind from the beginning. It was Adam firstborn son Cain who committed the first sin of murder as he killed his own brother so what previous relative did that generational curse come from he didn't even have a pattern to learn it from he just up and decided to do it of his own freewill because of the sin of jealousy. Again jealousy another sin with no previous relative as a example of the generational curse before him.

But what I see is sin growing and abounding in the earth because of Satan deceiving the hearts of mankind and causing manking through temptations to do his will in the earth instead of God's will.

We were born with a sin nature because of the fall and it is weak and can be tempted and when we are weak we will give into temptations and be drawn away from the truth and our faith as a result.

UNDONE

He goes on to say that while the crucifixion paid the price for our sins and curses, many Christians only understand the sin part. He explains that it's the truth YOU KNOW that sets you free (see scripture reference below). So many Christians come to the cross for the forgiveness of sin and certainly recieve it. They see a change in many areas of their life but continue to struggle with some area that they can't figure out. Again, according to this teacher, until they grasp the full reality and "claim" the blood of Jesus to break this curse, they will continue to struggle and pass the curse onto their decendents.

OPENLY CURIOUS

You have to understand that man is made up of three parts, body, soul, and spirit. Satan caused the fall in the garden getting us to fall from the state of innocence where we knew only good and didn't know they were naked but after the fall they both knew good and evil as evil entered our world and they knew they were naked no longer in that spiritual state of innocence that his their own nakedness from them but now in a fallen state and nature where their nakedness is known to them and it is a thing of shame so much so they hid themselves as a result of their nakedness.

We have a body that likes the pleasure of sin and we continue to struggle with sin while we live in the earthly tabernacle that is wasting away. this body of flesh we live in can be tempted so easily to to sin against God by the things we do and allow to come into our lives sexual sins is a prime example of the weakness of our fleshly bodies. how many fall into that sin. not because grandpa was a fornicator but because our flesh is weak.

It is the spirit of man that is dead prior to being regenerated by faith in the son of God and when this happens our spirit is quickened or made alive within us our conscious is no longer dead toward God but alive so that we are free to serve the living God. But thing is our spirits live in a sin depraved body that wants to sin and these two fight against one another the Spirit is strong in us and wants to follow God and serve Him but our flesh is weak that our spirit dwells in as the devil plays on it's desires for the pleasures of this world and lusts.

Then this battle is all over your soul which is your mind your will and intellect. This is the part of you that decides who you will ultimately yield your body over to to serve the flesh and it's desires that are being manipulated by Satan and his minions or the Spirit of God to serve him. You need to understand this in order to understand the battle going on.

The curse of sin has been broken by the blood of Jesus once and for all we only need to learn how to walk in the Spirit and understand the battle we are in. We were set free in order to willingly choose who we would serve without being in bondage as slaves the Lord set us free to serve him but the battle you are part of and you must learn it to win it by your faith because who you yield to you are servants to obey. We do not possess the power to pass the curse or sins down to our descendants. Like I say sin has been in the world abounding and growing since the garden. And since Christ grace has also been in our world and is growing and abounding in the lives of God's people as they come into his fold and learn of Him.

UNDONE

He also used the example of David sinning with Bathsheba. David eventually was forgiven for the sin but the curse continued on through his sons (Absalom and Solomon). After Solomon the Lord never blessed Israel again in the same way (until Jesus of course).

OPENLY CURIOUS

there have always been consequence for the sins we commit. If we do bad and sow it then we will reap it same way as we sow righteousness we will reap good as well. this example in no way teaches generational curses are being passed down because of the choices of Absalom and Solomon.

God had chosen Solomon the son of Bathseheba pacifically to be the heir to the throne of David as God had a divine purpose for him to fulfill as he built the temple at Jerusalem. Absalom was full of the sin of jealousy which is common to mankind in the world we live in as he wanted to be heir to the throne. The choice had nothing to do with David but God chose Solomon and told David this pacifically. Solomon made bad choices and his fleshly lusts for the heathen women he took for wives and bad consequence follow as a result. Again no generational curse is being passed down.

UNDONE

As you see from the scripture references below, curses are a reality in New Testament times. I can't help but believe that a majority of Christians come to the cross for forgiveness with little or no regard for curses.

OPENLY CURIOUS

I really have no clue where you are coming from on this one.

UNDONE

Do you think this teacher's premise is possible or correct? When we come to the cross is it necessary to "claim" the breaking of your family curses as well.

OPENLY CURIOUS

There is no biblical teaches to do such a thing. Certainly Jesus never taught that generational curses existed and if it were true then certainly he would have mentioned it at least once and given us a solution to the problem but He didn't. But instead Jesus said that He was the Way the Truth and the Life and no man could come to the Father but by Him. No it is not necessary to "claim" the breakin of your family curses as well. There is no scripture in the New Testament to back up this practice in the New Testament church.

UNDONE

I'm not so sure. Paul tells we recieved everything we needed for a life of holiness (scripture ref?)

Again, please chime in with your thoughts....

NOTE: All quote scriptures are from the NIV

Proverbs 26:2

2 Like a fluttering sparrow or a darting swallow,

an undeserved curse does not come to rest.

Jeremiah 17:5-6

5 This is what the LORD says:

"Cursed is the one who trusts in man,

who depends on flesh for his strength

and whose heart turns away from the LORD.

6 He will be like a bush in the wastelands;

he will not see prosperity when it comes.

He will dwell in the parched places of the desert,

in a salt land where no one lives.

Jeremiah 23:9-11

10 The land is full of adulterers;

because of the curse the land lies parched

and the pastures in the desert are withered.

The prophets follow an evil course

and use their power unjustly.

11 "Both prophet and priest are godless;

even in my temple I find their wickedness,"

declares the LORD

1 Corinthians 16:21-23

21I, Paul, write this greeting in my own hand.

22If anyone does not love the Lord