How biblical is this?

[Floatingaxe]

WOW.....are you serious Axe

that people will go to hell simply for not knowing. I don't really believe that and please don't try to convince me. I simply cannot understand that anyone would consider not knowing a sin. A sin is something you have to know, want to do, and do it. I don't believe babies go to hell. They haven't even sinned. They haven't even thought. But I know that many people believe as you do.

Yep, because it's true, dear.

I don't believe it Axe.

But I like you

[Guest mareesta]

WOW.....are you serious Axe

that people will go to hell simply for not knowing. I don't really believe that and please don't try to convince me. I simply cannot understand that anyone would consider not knowing a sin. A sin is something you have to know, want to do, and do it. I don't believe babies go to hell. They haven't even sinned. They haven't even thought. But I know that many people believe as you do.

Yep, because it's true, dear.

I don't believe it Axe.

But I like you

I like you too! Or I wouldn't be telling you! We can't just dismiss something because we find it unfair....God is holy, and His Word is true. When we sin unknowingly, we are still guilty of it before the Holy One. Thank God for His Holy Spirit, who convicts us of it! For those who seem completely unaware of their sin, (we don't know for sure that they really are unaware) we need to be actively praying and preaching the Good News!

[jackie d]

Luke 12:47 "And that servant who knew his mater's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48 "But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few,

For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed , of him they will ask the more.

here Christ is saying that he who does not know will still pay the penalty for the sins committed..He may not receive as severe of payment of consequence but he will still pay..

[Openly Curious]

I've been hearing alot about generational curses. How biblical is this?

God Bless You

Jacqueline

The concept of generational curses is very scripturally sound.

Hello 'hr.jr.',

I would be interested in these concepts in which you speak about and scriptural references that show these concepts that generational curses exist.

And also how they exist explain what they are and what to do about them.

OC

Since I restarted this thread, let me try to help. First, for a scripture reference see below:

Numbers 14:17-19 (New International Version)

17 "Now may the Lord's strength be displayed, just as you have declared: 18 'The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.' 19 In accordance with your great love, forgive the sin of these people, just as you have pardoned them from the time they left Egypt until now.

Next, if you haven't done so yet, go back to page 2 of this thread and read the post I re-open this topic with.

Hello hr jr,

The text of scripture that you have used here is taken out of context and is in reference to Exodus 20:5 and is only applying to the wandering in the desert as the children of Israel had rebelled against God. As the people started to murmer and complain against both Moses and Aaron as that particular generation lost their faith and started saying it would been better if they stayed in Egypt than to die out in the wilderness where they was currently at in this chapter.

The people had chosen to believe the bad report the ten spies had brought back that they couldn't take the land of Canaan instead of believing the good report of Joshua and Caleb that it was a good land exceeding flowing with milk and honey. But the people in verse 10 rebelled against the Lord and did not believe the good report and was afraid to go up and possess the land of Canaan.

But instead the people wanted to stone Moses, Aaron and both Joshua and Caleb vs 5, vs 10 Then God appeared in the tabernacle and told Moses vs 12 I am going to smite these people with pestilence and disinherit them and i am going to take you and make of thee a greater more mightier nation than these. And Moses reasoned with God and said that the Egytians will hear about it and say you only brought them out here to smite them.

The Lord hearkened to Moses and spared the people of Israel life but he punished them for one year for every day the spies spied out the land which was 40 days so they had to wander in the wilderness for 40 years until that entire generation died out from 20 years old upward that murmured and complained with their elders. God only took the children of Caleb and Joshua the two spies with the good report into the promised land all the people from the other 10 spies were cut off 20 years and up and died in the wilderness even to the third and fourth generation but he had mercy of Joshua and Caleb's generations because of the faith they had in God verses 27-38

this was the fate of those who did not obey the commandment in Exodus 20:5 so God took their own children that they said was going to be a prey in verse 31 and has mercy on them and their children had to wander in the wilderness because of their whoredoms for 40 years as God had mercy and spared the children but did not have mercy on the unbelieving parents who despised the land of Canaan and was full of unbelief because of the ten spies who said they couldn't take the land because the people was like giants. verses 33-32

So the children were not under a curse because of their parents sins even though they had to wander around in the wilderness until all of the old generations from 20 years upward died who murmured as a punishment from God for their sins. But God comes and visits them at the end of those 40 years along with Joshua and Caleb and leads them into the promised land of Canaan as he has mercy on these children and not a curse as being portrayed by you. As God does have mercy on whom he will have mercy and does visit our children in the preceding generations with his goodness and mercy. As this story portrays and shows us even.

OC

[Openly Curious]

Just because you may not have discovered a generational curse in your family, doesn't mean they do not exist. They do. Fortunate are those who don't have one! Praise belongs to God for that protective hand.

Yes generational curses are very real.....

Hello jackie d,

How so are generational curses very real? would be interested in your thoughts on this.

what is the biblical basis of your belief? Can you define a generational curse for me? How are they discovered anything?

OC

[jackie d]

OC said:

How so are generational curses very real? would be interested in your thoughts on this.

what is the biblical basis of your belief? Can you define a generational curse for me? How are they discovered anything?

Deuteronomy 11

Love and Obey the LORD

1 Love the LORD your God and keep his requirements, his decrees, his laws and his commands always. 2 Remember today that your children were not the ones who saw and experienced the discipline of the LORD your God: his majesty, his mighty hand, his outstretched arm; 3 the signs he performed and the things he did in the heart of Egypt, both to Pharaoh king of Egypt and to his whole country; 4 what he did to the Egyptian army, to its horses and chariots, how he overwhelmed them with the waters of the Red Sea [a] as they were pursuing you, and how the LORD brought lasting ruin on them. 5 It was not your children who saw what he did for you in the desert until you arrived at this place, 6 and what he did to Dathan and Abiram, sons of Eliab the Reubenite, when the earth opened its mouth right in the middle of all Israel and swallowed them up with their households, their tents and every living thing that belonged to them. 7 But it was your own eyes that saw all these great things the LORD has done.

8 Observe therefore all the commands I am giving you today, so that you may have the strength to go in and take over the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess, 9 and so that you may live long in the land that the LORD swore to your forefathers to give to them and their descendants, a land flowing with milk and honey. 10 The land you are entering to take over is not like the land of Egypt, from which you have come, where you planted your seed and irrigated it by foot as in a vegetable garden. 11 But the land you are crossing the Jordan to take possession of is a land of mountains and valleys that drinks rain from heaven. 12 It is a land the LORD your God cares for; the eyes of the LORD your God are continually on it from the beginning of the year to its end.

13 So if you faithfully obey the commands I am giving you today

Edited October 31, 2006 by jackie d

[Openly Curious]

Thanks for your reply jackie d,

this passage of text is referring also to Exodus 20:5 that commandment about idol gods which is mentioned in verse 16 in the text you supplied for us to look at.

The word "curse" in Deut. 11:26 means "Vilification" which is to speak ill of to try and degrade by slander to defame or traduce. means someone is worthless base and depraved no good to God in this state of unbelief while they choose death over life so their choice is not fruitful because it's death they chose over life and blessings from God.

Which will be the case for all those who put other gods before the only one and true living God and choose to not obey him and have the blessings in which God supplies and gives to their lives for their obedience to Him. For the will of God is that if you don't choose life and obey him then you will be degraded as a result and you will be defamed in stature so to speak and you want believe God and choose to reject the blessings of God instead so you will not have them and by not having them it is done in hope one will return back to God and repent. as a means of correction and discipline not in light of generational curse that has to somehow be broken off your life. all one has to do is accept the Lord Jesus Christ and walk in obedience to Him and he said he would restore to us the years the cankerworm the palmerworm and the locusts has eaten up.

The Lord has spoken His word and will bring discipline and correction to those who will not walk in obedience to His will and he does this by withholding his blessings upon their lives but this is not a generational curse that is passed down from one generation to the next in which it has been portrayed.

I would like to ask you jackie d What does one have to do to get rid of a generational curse off of their life? Do you have a formula or solution to break this so called generational curse?

OC

[undone]

Hello hr jr,

The text of scripture that you have used here is taken out of context and is in reference to Exodus 20:5 and is only applying to the wandering in the desert as the children of Israel had rebelled against God. As the people started to murmer and complain against both Moses and Aaron as that particular generation lost their faith and started saying it would been better if they stayed in Egypt than to die out in the wilderness where they was currently at in this chapter.

The people had chosen to believe the bad report the ten spies had brought back that they couldn't take the land of Canaan instead of believing the good report of Joshua and Caleb that it was a good land exceeding flowing with milk and honey. But the people in verse 10 rebelled against the Lord and did not believe the good report and was afraid to go up and possess the land of Canaan.

But instead the people wanted to stone Moses, Aaron and both Joshua and Caleb vs 5, vs 10 Then God appeared in the tabernacle and told Moses vs 12 I am going to smite these people with pestilence and disinherit them and i am going to take you and make of thee a greater more mightier nation than these. And Moses reasoned with God and said that the Egytians will hear about it and say you only brought them out here to smite them.

The Lord hearkened to Moses and spared the people of Israel life but he punished them for one year for every day the spies spied out the land which was 40 days so they had to wander in the wilderness for 40 years until that entire generation died out from 20 years old upward that murmured and complained with their elders. God only took the children of Caleb and Joshua the two spies with the good report into the promised land all the people from the other 10 spies were cut off 20 years and up and died in the wilderness even to the third and fourth generation but he had mercy of Joshua and Caleb's generations because of the faith they had in God verses 27-38

this was the fate of those who did not obey the commandment in Exodus 20:5 so God took their own children that they said was going to be a prey in verse 31 and has mercy on them and their children had to wander in the wilderness because of their whoredoms for 40 years as God had mercy and spared the children but did not have mercy on the unbelieving parents who despised the land of Canaan and was full of unbelief because of the ten spies who said they couldn't take the land because the people was like giants. verses 33-32

So the children were not under a curse because of their parents sins even though they had to wander around in the wilderness until all of the old generations from 20 years upward died who murmured as a punishment from God for their sins. But God comes and visits them at the end of those 40 years along with Joshua and Caleb and leads them into the promised land of Canaan as he has mercy on these children and not a curse as being portrayed by you. As God does have mercy on whom he will have mercy and does visit our children in the preceding generations with his goodness and mercy. As this story portrays and shows us even.

OC

Edited October 31, 2006 by undone

[Openly Curious]

OC,

For the record, this is Undone who has replied to you. I restarted this thread because I have some questions about this teaching. Again, please considered reading my opening post on Page 2 introducting why I restarted it.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. The scripture I reference above is the one the teacher I'm referring to in my opening post on page 2 uses.

I want to consider his claims and examine the bible together. Now, I understand the context of the scripture you referenced. The one above is in Numbers as it states. But that's not the only place references to curses are found in the bible. If you go to www.biblegateway.com and do a search in the bible using the word curse, you get a huge number of selections including new testament references to it. Granted, many of them reference the fall of Adam and Eve and such, but not all. I posted a couple on the my opening post on page 2.

Now, I am of the belief that Christ redeemed us of any curse and that we recieved redemption for curses as well as sin at the point we are saved. The teacher I reference in my opening post on Page 2 suggests that we have to realize and ask for the "breaking" of any curses you may be under at the time of, or after you have been saved. He claims, it's because Jesus said, "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." This teacher suggests that it's the truth YOU KNOW that sets you free, not truth you don't know. So, again, according to this teacher, until you know and ask for the fullness of our redemption, you may still be under a generational curse. Or a curse you may have brought upon yourself, it doesn't have to be generational.

I say, as I believe Paul says, when you are saved, you recieve all that is needed for a life of holiness. Meaning, there's nothing else you need. But, is there any truth to this teachers claims and could Paul be implying/assuming that his readers have asked for the "breaking" of any curse because he was the one who most likely brought them to faith and probably explained this to them.

Sorry so long. Thanks for your replies.

Hello undone,

I will go back to page #2 and reply to your post there for you as I have already read it but I will reply to your concerns that are there for you. But while I am here there is no where in the scriptures to my knowledge where it teaches us in any fashion that we have to "break" these curses off of us. But let me go to your other post from here and address your concerns the best that I can.

OC

[LadyRaven]

I say, as I believe Paul says, when you are saved, you recieve all that is needed for a life of holiness. Meaning, there's nothing else you need. But, is there any truth to this teachers claims and could Paul be implying/assuming that his readers have asked for the "breaking" of any curse because he was the one who most likely brought them to faith and probably explained this to them.

Sorry so long. Thanks for your replies.

No, as I posted before the NT says that Christ took the curse for us, therefore if you are saved there is no more curse. Of any kind.

We cannot read into what Paul says and assume that his readers have asked anything. If they had, it would be there for us to see if it mattered in the first place. Scripture is sufficient, therefore if we are to base a theology on the idea that someone should have known something, scripture would make it clear that they did/or should have known. As shown when Christ reprimands bible scholars for not knowing things (Nicodemus....) they should have figured out.