Omniscience

[Guest shiloh357]

But are you claiming that you know of very attribute of God the Father.

No, I am not. I have made no such claim. That is a value you are assigning to me.

Does God have abilities that you don’t know about?

God is bigger and more vast than my mind can contain. There will always be things about God I will never know even after we have been a billion years into eternity with Him.

Such as knowing a thought or emotion that would agree and supersede the experiential method?

I never referred to anything called "the experiential method. I was referring to experientical knowledge. Knowledge of somehting that comes through having experienced it.

Also you’re implying that you know God’s Mind and Every Purpose.

No, that is what you are trying to assign to me. I have neither implied nor indicated any such thing.

I know you can have difficulty in your understanding the Bible. And in many cases you only can give your subjective interpretation.

When it is my opinion, I readly say as much.

Please explain why did God feet sorry? Also why didn’t He start with different languages to start with? Also, do you feel you could have come up with better tempting questions then the Evil one to Christ? While you’re at it can you give me an explanation of what God was talking about with scientific facts, when speaking to Job about “storing snow” and the rest (all rhetorical, if you like)?

I really don't see what that line of questioning has to do with this thread. It appears you have already decided what you think I am saying and are trying to refute an arguement I have not raised.

In fact according to you why did He create them with His Self Sufficiency?

He didn't. Adam and Eve were given food to eat and were designed with inherent needs. Adam needed a wife, for example. They both needed God and that was before the fall. God is the only person in the universe who is self-sufficient, need ing nothing.

[nebula]

Does God know what it is like to be female?

[other one]

Does God know what it is like to be female?

because he lives in you.....

[OldEnglishSheepdog]

No!!!!!!!

God also cannot microwave a burrito so hot that He cannot eat it.

He doesn't know what it is like be create a rock so big He cannot lift it, etc etc.

I think some perspectives on "all powerful" are a bit simplistic.

Yeah, but that none of that really addresses what I am talking about. You are talking about omnipotence. I am talking about omniscience. The dilemma about God not being able to create a rock so big He cannot lift it has nothing to do with this issue.

I am asking about propositional and experiential knowledge.

Candice, you're actually referencing modal (the possible and the necessary) incoherencies. Those are not epistemological (the access to knowledge) constraints but ontological ones.

There is no possible world in which an immaterial Creator could be limited by the scope of the creation. That's simply logically incoherent.

By contrast, the extent to which an Immaterial Creator could experientially related to the limitations of the creation is logically coherent, because we can imagine possible worlds wherein the Creator would have varying degrees of such epistemological access.

Shiloh, I haven't read through every post, but I tend to believe his omniscience is limitless, "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin" (Hebrews 4:15).

I don't think there's a shadow in creation blocking the Almighty's comprehension. He knows us and what we experience better than we do. At some point I think we've just got to say, He knows. Omniscient, intimate knowledge of the experiences and feelings of the creation seems to me to entail experiential knowledge, even if not first hand. That’s my impression.

“My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be” (Psalm 139: 15-16).

[OldEnglishSheepdog]

... I know you can have difficulty in your understanding the Bible...

Now that is a very strange accusation.

[nebula]

Does God know what it is like to be female?

because he lives in you.....

OK - how about before the giving of the Spirit living in us?

[godrulz]

Tell me this...

The omniscience of God. Do you think it means that God has all possible knowledge (which would include all propositional and all experiential knowledge)? Or would it include only propositional knowledge?

What do you mean by prop vs exper?

[other one]

Does God know what it is like to be female?

because he lives in you.....

OK - how about before the giving of the Spirit living in us?

Remember he has no time constraints..... he knew you 6,000 years ago... and I'll bet it made him smile Remember when he had finished creation and said that it was good. He knew you then.

[godrulz]

Simple answer. God knows everything, no matter how we want to categorize it. There is nothing that exists that He did not create.

Did God create my Mazda car and my Apple computer? God is not omnicausal. He does not create moral evil. He did not create Satan, but He did create Lucifer. God did not create my post on this forum, but I did thanks to the will, mind, body, life I did get through His original creative act and my parent's procreation (I was not created in a test tube in heaven by God directly).

God knows everything knowable. Some things are inherently unknowable such as where Alice in Wonderland is right now. He also does not have exhaustive definite foreknowledge of future free will contingencies because they do not exist to be known. He knows reality as it is and knows them as possible, not actual, until the agent settles the alternatives in the present.

His omniscience is dynamic, not static.

[godrulz]

God knows all the " If's " as well.

He knows conditional, condition 'ifs' as possible/probable, not actual/certain. He would know them if they were not contingent, but deterministic.