Year of Jubilee

[TheNewMan]

Okay, what I heard that the Year of Jubilee was never FULLY Honoured. Often times in name, and in part, but many refused to give up land purchased from others that sold out of desperation, The forgiveness of debts and the Freeing of slaves. These things were not held on to in full, again this is a sermon I heard some 15 years ago. I heard that, as Mizzdy has already said that when the Lord returns it will be in the year of jubilee, and it would be the the first time where it was a full honouring of such.

I don't know about that. If many refused to give up land, that doesn't mean everyone did.

But as for the Lord returning in the year of Jubilee, I would say that to assume that you can somehow predict Christ's return is foolish and dangerous. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 and 2 Peter 3:10 say that the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, and Matthew 24:36 says that no one but the Father knows when that day will come.

[Isaiah 6:8]

Okay, what I heard that the Year of Jubilee was never FULLY Honoured. Often times in name, and in part, but many refused to give up land purchased from others that sold out of desperation, The forgiveness of debts and the Freeing of slaves. These things were not held on to in full, again this is a sermon I heard some 15 years ago. I heard that, as Mizzdy has already said that when the Lord returns it will be in the year of jubilee, and it would be the the first time where it was a full honouring of such.

I don't know about that. If many refused to give up land, that doesn't mean everyone did.

But as for the Lord returning in the year of Jubilee, I would say that to assume that you can somehow predict Christ's return is foolish and dangerous. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 and 2 Peter 3:10 say that the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, and Matthew 24:36 says that no one but the Father knows when that day will come.

Oh, no, never predict I don't do that. I don't think Mizz is either, its more of a during a year of Jubilee. that could be 1000, years form now, it could be tomorrow , that not what I am saying, Just that its likely to be in a Jubilee year, and if not It will be the fulfilment of the type and shadow it is of the real thing.

[Shiloh62]

Reading through the Old testament Law, I was reading about the year of Jubilee, I slightly remember someone stating that it has never happened. Has it happened and what is the significance?

The year of Jubilee is the 50th year, when all debts are forgiven,and all slaves set free. If we do not observe this year, God will make a way to be sure we do.

Lets look at Israel, and examine what asked them to do, and the consequences of them not doing it.

Leviticus 26:15

15 and if you reject my pleas and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant.

Leviticus 26:33,34

33 I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be waste, and your cities will lie in ruins. 34Then the land will enjoy its sabbath years all the time it lies desolate and you are in the country of your enemies; then the land will rest anfd enjoy its sabbaths.

When did this prophecy take place and why? It took place in 588 B.C. when Jerusalem was destroyed and Israel was taken to Babylon into captivity for 70 years. Why 70 years? Thats the number of years that they did not observe the sabbath. Also, they did not observe the sabbath year, and most of all they did not celebrate the Year of Jubilee, which is 7 sabbath years, so 7 X 7 =49 years, and the 50th year was the Year of Jubilee. When God asks us to do something, it is not just a suggestion. The land needed a rest, and He made sure that it got the rest it deserved. Same holds true for us. If we do not celebrate the sabbath, God will make a way to be sure we do. Ever see a man work for 49 years and never take a day off and suddenly he has an occurence or accident that causes him to take off work and forced to rest?

[TheNewMan]

Oh, no, never predict I don't do that. I don't think Mizz is either, its more of a during a year of Jubilee. that could be 1000, years form now, it could be tomorrow , that not what I am saying, Just that its likely to be in a Jubilee year, and if not It will be the fulfilment of the type and shadow it is of the real thing.

Ohh, ok I understand now.

Shiloh - Thank goodness that law is not for us.

[Shiloh62]

Oh, no, never predict I don't do that. I don't think Mizz is either, its more of a during a year of Jubilee. that could be 1000, years form now, it could be tomorrow , that not what I am saying, Just that its likely to be in a Jubilee year, and if not It will be the fulfilment of the type and shadow it is of the real thing.

Ohh, ok I understand now.

Shiloh - Thank goodness that law is not for us.

I'm not so sure about that. We are to observe the sabbath, and this is part of that commandment, so I would have to say that we are bound to keep the observance, or suffer our own Babylonias.

[TheNewMan]

I'm not so sure about that. We are to observe the sabbath, and this is part of that commandment, so I would have to say that we are bound to keep the observance, or suffer our own Babylonias.

The Old Law was nailed to the cross of Jesus Christ, and now no one may be judged according to moons or sabbaths (Colossians 2:14-16). The law was the tutor to lead to Christ, but no one is under that tutor any longer (Galatians 3:23-28). The old law has become obsolete and has vanished away (Hebrews 8:13). Also the law, including the Sabbath, was only ever given to the Jews and Jewish proselytes. Those who were not Jews were not expected to live according to the Law of Moses.

[mizzdy]

I'm not so sure about that. We are to observe the sabbath, and this is part of that commandment, so I would have to say that we are bound to keep the observance, or suffer our own Babylonias.

The Old Law was nailed to the cross of Jesus Christ, and now no one may be judged according to moons or sabbaths (Colossians 2:14-16). The law was the tutor to lead to Christ, but no one is under that tutor any longer (Galatians 3:23-28). The old law has become obsolete and has vanished away (Hebrews 8:13). Also the law, including the Sabbath, was only ever given to the Jews and Jewish proselytes. Those who were not Jews were not expected to live according to the Law of Moses.

First off lets not derail Isaiahs thread please. And I am not one who thinks that His law was done away with, its not a popular thought here at Worthy so I rarely engage in a thread that will quickly become a battle ground of unedifying stuff. I will say this, our Messiah kept every single command that He Himself gave, He and the apostles went the the syagogues to hear the Torah being taught and that was always done one the Sabbath. What has vanished and made obsolete is the curse of the law, the death sentence that has hung over our heads since Adam ate of the forbidden fruit, Messiah did not annul, destroy anything He right interperted, filled it up with meaning and gave us all the most perfect example to follow. The Law does not has never belonged to Moses even if its called that and after thousands of years thats what it was called. It is Gods laws, Gods Feasts, Gods ways, only Gods not mens, not Moses, not Davids, not anyones but His. As far as the tudor stuff, if you wanted to learn a trade you would go to a master craftsman spend sometimes decades learning then you become an apprentence and one day you are able to walk in the trade on your own. This is what is meant by its a tudor until we become perfected by Him, we will never ever know all of Him, never know all He has to teach until our hearts are changed with the refreshed covenant. We 'work' to understand Him, we study to show ourselves approved, we start becoming capable of doing one thing through His teaching and go from there. If one never practices their trade and become rusty we can always go back to the craftsman and learn some refreshers to enable us to do our job correctly. And there was Judah in the desert but no 'Jews'. And you are wrong Sabbath was the seventh day of Gods rest during the creation. There was a mixed up multitude at Sinai, 12 tribes of Hebrew Israelites, some Egyptians, many others, Caleb was not an Israelite he was a descendant of Esua, a Kennite. Just like us today God is gathering and perfecting all who come to Him in faith, regardless of lineage/genetics. And God does expect us to follow His Torah, by Torah I mean from Gen. to Rev. and the things that apply to us today, otherwise He would not have kept repeating 'if you love Me you will keep My commandments'. Sorry I went on much longer than I wanted but as I said I am not going to argue and debate the matter there are way too many threads on the subject as it is.

shalom,

Mizz

[TheNewMan]

First off lets not derail Isaiahs thread please. And I am not one who thinks that His law was done away with, its not a popular thought here at Worthy so I rarely engage in a thread that will quickly become a battle ground of unedifying stuff. I will say this, our Messiah kept every single command that He Himself gave, He and the apostles went the the syagogues to hear the Torah being taught and that was always done one the Sabbath. What has vanished and made obsolete is the curse of the law, the death sentence that has hung over our heads since Adam ate of the forbidden fruit, Messiah did not annul, destroy anything He right interperted, filled it up with meaning and gave us all the most perfect example to follow. The Law does not has never belonged to Moses even if its called that and after thousands of years thats what it was called. It is Gods laws, Gods Feasts, Gods ways, only Gods not mens, not Moses, not Davids, not anyones but His. As far as the tudor stuff, if you wanted to learn a trade you would go to a master craftsman spend sometimes decades learning then you become an apprentence and one day you are able to walk in the trade on your own. This is what is meant by its a tudor until we become perfected by Him, we will never ever know all of Him, never know all He has to teach until our hearts are changed with the refreshed covenant. We 'work' to understand Him, we study to show ourselves approved, we start becoming capable of doing one thing through His teaching and go from there. If one never practices their trade and become rusty we can always go back to the craftsman and learn some refreshers to enable us to do our job correctly. And there was Judah in the desert but no 'Jews'. And you are wrong Sabbath was the seventh day of Gods rest during the creation. There was a mixed up multitude at Sinai, 12 tribes of Hebrew Israelites, some Egyptians, many others, Caleb was not an Israelite he was a descendant of Esua, a Kennite. Just like us today God is gathering and perfecting all who come to Him in faith, regardless of lineage/genetics. And God does expect us to follow His Torah, by Torah I mean from Gen. to Rev. and the things that apply to us today, otherwise He would not have kept repeating 'if you love Me you will keep My commandments'. Sorry I went on much longer than I wanted but as I said I am not going to argue and debate the matter there are way too many threads on the subject as it is.

shalom,

Mizz

All right, I'm going to provide one more response in this thread, and perhaps I will reopen the thread where this is discussed. But the Bible is far too clear about this subject for you to remain unenlightened.

Yes, Jesus and His apostles kept the Law and the Sabbaths, because they were Jews, and there was no other Law yet to obey.

And no, Hebrews 8:13 says nothing about the curse of the law. You are adding to the Scriptures. It says "In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. First what? First covenant. He has made the first covenant obsolete. The first covenant was the covenant between God and the Israelites, and ONLY the Israelites. In Exodus 19:5, God says, "Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people: for all earth is mine." This law was for them alone. When giving the Ten Commandments, God said, "I am the Lord your God, who brought YOU out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage, YOU shall have no other Gods before Me," The "You" is the children of Israel. He is the only people that God brought out of the land of Egypt. You will not find a single verse in the Bible that says that the Law of Moses was given to anyone except the Israelites.

And I will rewrite the verse you ignored: "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ." Colossians 2:16-17

We will no longer be judged according to that old covenant, the old covenant was made obsolete. Also, unless you're an Israelite from 2000 years ago, that law was never for you.

[Isaiah 6:8]

Yes, lets not derail my thread. Mizzdy is correct, per the words of Jesus,

Matthew 5:17-18

New King James Version (NKJV)

Christ Fulfills the Law

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Now are we still under the oppression of the Law? That is another story altogether, and for another thread.

So again back to my original OP... I was reading the book of Judges. It seemed that for a long time, they would make it 30 or 40 years, sin, get taken over, have a judge rescue them, and then they would sin again. I am wondering if they ever really got a chance to honor the Year of Jubilee, Not through the Old Testament yet but just something I noticed.

So perhaps it was never celebrated due to Israel never holding on to the laws of God long enough? Perhaps when he returns it will be the fulfillment of the rest and freedom?

Also, since almost everything in the old testament was foreshadowing of Christ and the church, what does it represent to us, how in a word was it prophetic?

[other one]

Isaiah, it seems to me that God forced Israel to keep all the Jubilee's that they had missed (ignored) when he sent them into captivity in Babylon. I guess I'm getting old for I really don't remember why I think that, but it's from something I looked into years and years ago.