Interesting things about "antichrist"

[Bold Believer]

Dear friends, the Antichrist is here, right now, in power, soon to establish his empire of ten, according to the Daniel prophesy.

I have been watching him for a couple of years now and the evidence is now without doubt, IMO.

The current President of France.

God Bless,

Rod.

Sarkozy? Rod, even if I DID believe in an antichrist dictator, it wouldn't believe it was him. I don't think that man could find his nose in a snowstorm. And Europe is crumbling due to their poor economic system, aka socialism. Ten nations...not gonna happen. Just an FYI though...the Roman Empire broke into 10 nations, just like Daniel said it would. Still, when you try to project the past into the future, any guess is as good as another. It's been everyone from Napoleon to the Pope...AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN WRONG.

Bold Believer, just remember you were told, all nations are broke!......don't worry about old money Europe they still call the shots, time for the Euro users to become ten, coming soon.

See Daniel 7:8, He's going to control the Euro nations and when he does, he'll personally throw three out to make Ten.

And you know who is in the box seat, he has centre stage in directing economic stratages for all of the EU, not just France.

The antichrist will be Nicholas Sarkozy, whatsmore he's also a half blood Jew.

Messiah material!

He has to be a Western politician if he's going to change the Financial structure of the world.....surely that's obvious to start, no one ticks the boxes like this guy.

Rev 13:17, buying and selling, financial transactions, global financial reform. He's up to his eyeballs doing all this stuff, and he's in the right corner of the globe.

Watch and learn, since the reemergence of Israel as a Nation, the generation that witnesses these things will not pass away, according to Jesus.

Thought the Roman Empire comprised of Ten Provinces, and that's why the Ten.

Retrobyter,

Why do you think Rev divides the last seven years in half? A first 42mths, the ascention and rule of AC, then the rest?......The time of wrath.

About AC, does say he tries to change traditions, looks to be worshipped and exalts himself so as to be worshipped, sounds like a man to me!

Also, Antiochus never fully conquered Egypt, AC does, and already has, including Libya. See book of Daniel, Chpt 11:43, Antiochus was an anti-type to natural Isreal

final Antichrist comes against the Church, the elect.

Nicolas Sarkozy has fullfilled this AC prophesy by orchestrating the overthrow of these Nations inline with Scripture, another reason why I know who he is.

Soon it'll be Syria, cause he's to be know as the Assyrian, and that's also according to scripture, there's only one person on the face of the globe that's done

all this, Sarkozy. He's the man.

OK Rod...if your prediction turns out to be wrong, which it will, can we take you out and stone you? That is the penalty for giving false prophecies. (No, we won't really stone you bud, LOL.)

Revelation does NOT divide the 42 month periods in half. The first 42 months was the Neronian persecution. Nero overcame the saints, but then he died by his own hand. The other 42 months actually OVERLAPS the first slightly, that was the siege of Jerusalem which began in the latter half of AD 67 and ended in AD 70 and destroyed the Temple, which was the predicted time of wrath of God against those Jews who rejected Messiah.

Sarkozy can't fulfill even the slightest of the prophecies you mentioned. Nero threw down three on his way to the throne of Rome, fulfilling the propecy to which you refer. Antiochus had nothing to do with any of them because he was off the scene before Christ was born. Remember, the prophecies do not begin until Messiah shows up (Dan 9).

Antichrists never did any of the things you mentuion, because as it has been pointed out to you and others (who simply refuse to even look at the prophecies properly, to your detriment), antichrists are not dictators, they're false teachers who claim Jesus did not come in the flesh. The dictator antichrist is a whole-cloth crock of hooey made up from misinterpeting and misunderstanding the prophecies. (I am really beginning to wonder if this was not done deliberately to confuse the Church.)

The entity that comes against the church in the final days is not "antichrist", but Gog and Magog. This event occurs after a long period of Christian pre-eminence (mistakenly referred to as the millennium because of the word chilioi in Revelation 20's final prophecy. The Church ceased to be pre-eminent, when Christianity stopped being the predominant world religion and apostasy began to run rampant, that was the sign spoken of by Paul that the man of sin (not 'the antichrist') would come on the scene and begin to exalt himself over all religons and all gods, True and false, and begin claiming that man was god. This situation exists now and has existed for at least 30 years or more (remember, it's a little time Satan-Gog gets to organize Magog, not a long time) with direct attacks both physical and spiritual against the Church. "The Church is responsible for this or that", "all organized religion is dragging down mankind from fulfilling its destiny ", "all organized religion is divisive", "the Church holds back mankind from progressing in evolutionary development", "those Church nuts hate homosexuals", "those Church nuts want a theocracy in the US and are against freedom" and so forth and so on.

[Retrobyter]

Shalom,

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Retrobyter,

Why do you think Rev divides the last seven years in half? A first 42mths, the ascention and rule of AC, then the rest?......The time of wrath.

About AC, does say he tries to change traditions, looks to be worshipped and exalts himself so as to be worshipped, sounds like a man to me!

Also, Antiochus never fully conquered Egypt, AC does, and already has, including Libya. See book of Daniel, Chpt 11:43, Antiochus was an anti-type to natural Isreal

final Antichrist comes against the Church, the elect.

Nicolas Sarkozy has fullfilled this AC prophesy by orchestrating the overthrow of these Nations inline with Scripture, another reason why I know who he is.

Soon it'll be Syria, cause he's to be know as the Assyrian, and that's also according to scripture, there's only one person on the face of the globe that's done

all this, Sarkozy. He's the man.

First of all, Syria and Assyria are two different countries. Assyria was where Iraq is now. Syria's ancient name is Aram from which we get the Aramaic language. Syria is immediately north of Isra'el. Isra'el fought them for the Golan Heights.

Second, Revelation doesn't talk about the whole seven years. It only mentions the last 3.5 years or so. The seventieth seven of Dani'el 9:24-27 was split into two halves; however, the first half was when Yeshua` was here the first time. The last half will be when He returns. It was Yeshua` who did the splitting, by the way:

Matt. 23:37-39

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

KJV

Dan. 9:24-27

24 Seventy weeks are determined (upon thy people) and (upon thy holy city), to finish the transgression, and to make an end (of sins), and to make reconciliation (for iniquity), and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that (from the going forth) (of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem) (unto the Messiah the Prince) shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even (in troublous times).

26 And (after threescore and two weeks) shall Messiah be cut off, but not (for himself): and the people (of the prince that shall come) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end (thereof) shall be (with a flood), and (unto the end) (of the war) desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant (with many) (for one week): and (in the midst) (of the week) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and (for the overspreading) (of abominations) he shall make it desolate, even (until the consummation), and that determined shall be poured (upon the desolate).

KJV

So, having marked all the prepositional phrases, we are left with the occurrences of "he" in verse 27 referring back to "Messiah" in verse 26, (not to the "prince that shall come," which is part of the prepositional phrase)!

Yeshua` offered Himself as God's Messiah and Isra'el's King, and God confirmed the Davidic Covenant by announcing that He was His beloved Son at His baptism. They could have accepted Him, but the elders of the Jews, the tribe of Y'hudah, chose to reject Him instead, and spread it among the people. Therefore, He encountered an "overspreading of the abominations" of rejecting Him, and He LEFT THEM DESOLATE! even to the end, or "until the consummation!" During that GAP that He created, "that determined" or whatever was decided against them "shall be poured upon the desolate."

Don't focus on the "antichrist" or the "man of sin" or the "lawless one" or the "man of lawlessness" or the "beast!" Focus on Yeshua` the TRUE Messiah of God, the TRUE Christ! At worst, the concept of the antichrist is a lie about a fictional character, and at best, it is the innocent misinterpretation of Scripture! I'm not saying that there won't be a "man against the Torah" or that there won't be a "beast"; however, I challenge the idea that they are the same person.

[Bold Believer]

Shalom,

...

Retrobyter,

Why do you think Rev divides the last seven years in half? A first 42mths, the ascention and rule of AC, then the rest?......The time of wrath.

About AC, does say he tries to change traditions, looks to be worshipped and exalts himself so as to be worshipped, sounds like a man to me!

Also, Antiochus never fully conquered Egypt, AC does, and already has, including Libya. See book of Daniel, Chpt 11:43, Antiochus was an anti-type to natural Isreal

final Antichrist comes against the Church, the elect.

Nicolas Sarkozy has fullfilled this AC prophesy by orchestrating the overthrow of these Nations inline with Scripture, another reason why I know who he is.

Soon it'll be Syria, cause he's to be know as the Assyrian, and that's also according to scripture, there's only one person on the face of the globe that's done

all this, Sarkozy. He's the man.

First of all, Syria and Assyria are two different countries. Assyria was where Iraq is now. Syria's ancient name is Aram from which we get the Aramaic language. Syria is immediately north of Isra'el. Isra'el fought them for the Golan Heights.

Second, Revelation doesn't talk about the whole seven years. It only mentions the last 3.5 years or so. The seventieth seven of Dani'el 9:24-27 was split into two halves; however, the first half was when Yeshua` was here the first time. The last half will be when He returns. It was Yeshua` who did the splitting, by the way:

Matt. 23:37-39

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

KJV

Dan. 9:24-27

24 Seventy weeks are determined (upon thy people) and (upon thy holy city), to finish the transgression, and to make an end (of sins), and to make reconciliation (for iniquity), and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that (from the going forth) (of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem) (unto the Messiah the Prince) shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even (in troublous times).

26 And (after threescore and two weeks) shall Messiah be cut off, but not (for himself): and the people (of the prince that shall come) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end (thereof) shall be (with a flood), and (unto the end) (of the war) desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant (with many) (for one week): and (in the midst) (of the week) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and (for the overspreading) (of abominations) he shall make it desolate, even (until the consummation), and that determined shall be poured (upon the desolate).

KJV

So, having marked all the prepositional phrases, we are left with the occurrences of "he" in verse 27 referring back to "Messiah" in verse 26, (not to the "prince that shall come," which is part of the prepositional phrase)!

Yeshua` offered Himself as God's Messiah and Isra'el's King, and God confirmed the Davidic Covenant by announcing that He was His beloved Son at His baptism. They could have accepted Him, but the elders of the Jews, the tribe of Y'hudah, chose to reject Him instead, and spread it among the people. Therefore, He encountered an "overspreading of the abominations" of rejecting Him, and He LEFT THEM DESOLATE! even to the end, or "until the consummation!" During that GAP that He created, "that determined" or whatever was decided against them "shall be poured upon the desolate."

Don't focus on the "antichrist" or the "man of sin" or the "lawless one" or the "man of lawlessness" or the "beast!" Focus on Yeshua` the TRUE Messiah of God, the TRUE Christ! At worst, the concept of the antichrist is a lie about a fictional character, and at best, it is the innocent misinterpretation of Scripture! I'm not saying that there won't be a "man against the Torah" or that there won't be a "beast"; however, I challenge the idea that they are the same person.

1, Your house is left unto you desolate is a reference to the Temple. The Temple was destroyed as a part of the double punishment for Jerusalem's sins. The consummation is the endof the wrath (70 AD) and that determined was the time of Jacob's trouble (called by Christian theologians the Great Tribulation). All that is over. God is no longer angry with the Jews. One can even make the point that they have been brought back into the Land as a showing of His future intent.

2. The He in Daniel 9:27 is Messiah; the second he is Titus, who was the general in charge of the Roman forces; Titus unwittingly carried out the purpose of God to destroy the temple. The only temple being rebuilt is the one made of Believers. Anyone who wishes to be saved must come to THAT temple, be he Jew or Gentile, for it is there that the Ruach ha Kodesh dwells.

3. Assertion about the elders leading the people into disbelief is why John refers to them (the Sanhedrin/elders) as a false prophet collectively. They had the authority to call down fire from heaven, but they instead led the people into worshipping the Caesars with a pinch of incense. (Rev 13)

4. The man of sin and man of lawlessness are the same. Antichrist is the term outside the pale; it doesn't belong. It's a case of apples and hamburgers so to speak. They have nothing in common.

5. Daniel's final seven was NOT split in half. Its midpoint is marked by Moschiach's death, but the remainder of the week continued. The Ruach HaKodesh was poured out during the remainder of the week (50 days after the Resurrection at Pentecost).

The whole point of this post is that an antichrist dictator is not in Scripture and the Church is being sold a bill of goods. Satan has the Church looking for something that isn't there, while he gathers up his Magog army with no one to stop him.

[Montana Marv]

Bold

Daniel 9:24 - Seventy sevens are decreed for your people (Israel) and your holy city (Jerusalem) to; 1. Finish transgressions, 2. To put an end to sin, 3. To atone for wickedness, 4. To bring in everlasting righteousness, 5. To seal up vision and prophecy, 6. And to anoint the most holy.

If the Seventy sevens are completed, Why has not Israel and Jerusalem fulfilled the six tasks? They have not because the Seventy Week is still to come. It was not finished in 70 A.D. or 30 to 40 A.D..

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Bold Believer]

Bold

Daniel 9:24 - Seventy sevens are decreed for your people (Israel) and your holy city (Jerusalem) to; 1. Finish transgressions, 2. To put an end to sin, 3. To atone for wickedness, 4. To bring in everlasting righteousness, 5. To seal up vision and prophecy, 6. And to anoint the most holy.

If the Seventy sevens are completed, Why has not Israel and Jerusalem fulfilled the six tasks? They have not because the Seventy Week is still to come. It was not finished in 70 A.D. or 30 to 40 A.D..

In Christ

Montana Marv

The six tasks were fulfilled by Jesus.

[Montana Marv]

Bold

Daniel 9:24 - Seventy sevens are decreed for your people (Israel) and your holy city (Jerusalem) to; 1. Finish transgressions, 2. To put an end to sin, 3. To atone for wickedness, 4. To bring in everlasting righteousness, 5. To seal up vision and prophecy, 6. And to anoint the most holy.

If the Seventy sevens are completed, Why has not Israel and Jerusalem fulfilled the six tasks? They have not because the Seventy Week is still to come. It was not finished in 70 A.D. or 30 to 40 A.D..

In Christ

Montana Marv

The six tasks were fulfilled by Jesus.

Bold

Odd that the prophecy was given to Israel and Jerusalem to fulfill, not Christ. To say that Christ fulfilled them in their place, is to deem Daniels prophecy as false. Thus Daniel is a false prophet.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Bold Believer]

Bold

Daniel 9:24 - Seventy sevens are decreed for your people (Israel) and your holy city (Jerusalem) to; 1. Finish transgressions, 2. To put an end to sin, 3. To atone for wickedness, 4. To bring in everlasting righteousness, 5. To seal up vision and prophecy, 6. And to anoint the most holy.

If the Seventy sevens are completed, Why has not Israel and Jerusalem fulfilled the six tasks? They have not because the Seventy Week is still to come. It was not finished in 70 A.D. or 30 to 40 A.D..

In Christ

Montana Marv

The six tasks were fulfilled by Jesus.

Bold

Odd that the prophecy was given to Israel and Jerusalem to fulfill, not Christ. To say that Christ fulfilled them in their place, is to deem Daniels prophecy as false. Thus Daniel is a false prophet.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Sorry Marv-o, wrong again my friend. Any theologian worth his salt (even pre-mil guys) will tell you that Jesus was the one who fulfilled the six tasks. The understanding is that the six tasks were to be done for the benefit of Israel and the Holy City.

1. Finish transgressions: TOTELESTAI! It is finished, Jesus said on the cross. What is finished? Our transgressions. They are removed from us as far as the east is from the west.

2. Put an end to sin: Hebrews 9:26 says that Jesus put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

3. To atone for wickedness: Jesus did it by His blood.

4. Jesus brought in everlasting righteousness. He is Adonai-tzidkenu, the LORD our righteousness.

5. The coming of Christ sealed up the vision and prophecy of all of the OT prophets regarding Messiah.

6. Jesus anointed the Most Holy Place with his Holy Spirit at Pentecost; God does not dwell in temples made with hands of men, He is meant to dwell within His people, His Church.

[nebula]

Bold

Daniel 9:24 - Seventy sevens are decreed for your people (Israel) and your holy city (Jerusalem) to; 1. Finish transgressions, 2. To put an end to sin, 3. To atone for wickedness, 4. To bring in everlasting righteousness, 5. To seal up vision and prophecy, 6. And to anoint the most holy.

If the Seventy sevens are completed, Why has not Israel and Jerusalem fulfilled the six tasks? They have not because the Seventy Week is still to come. It was not finished in 70 A.D. or 30 to 40 A.D..

In Christ

Montana Marv

The six tasks were fulfilled by Jesus.

Bold

Odd that the prophecy was given to Israel and Jerusalem to fulfill, not Christ. To say that Christ fulfilled them in their place, is to deem Daniels prophecy as false. Thus Daniel is a false prophet.

In Christ

Montana Marv

How could Israel and Jerusalem ever fulfill these tasks! No human being on Earth could be sinless enough to end transgression. And what do you think Jesus did with His death and resurrection?

Very puzzled by your train of thought in this.

[Montana Marv]

Bold & Nebula

Either Gods Word to Daniel was 100 per cent true or 100 per cent false. If True, I stand by the Scriptures; if False, then one cannot trust the Scriptures. God is an all knowing God, if so, what he gave to Daniel is 100 per cent Accurate and True. Gods Word never changes.

Christ did not: 1. Finish transgression, Israel as we do still transgresses today. 2. Put an end to sin, Israel as we do, still SIN (1 John 1:9) is still in effect today; Now Christ paid the penalty for sin, but did not put an end to it. 3. To atone for wickedness, one is still in their sin or wicked until acceptance in Christ (being in the Vine). 4. Bring in everlasting righteousness, We are not there yet, the unrighteous still abound, SIN still abounds. 5. Seal up vision and prophecy; Revelation is a prophetic book, there are prophecies though out the NT, people still have visions, so Christ did not seal them up. 6. Anoint the most holy, who is to do the anointing, Christs anoints Himself, I do not think so.

This prophecy was give for Daniels people (Israel) and Daniels holy city (Jerusalem) to Fulfill. This is where it is say: Seventy sevens are decreed for your...

In Christ

Montana Marv

[mizzdy]

Bold & Nebula

Either Gods Word to Daniel was 100 per cent true or 100 per cent false. If True, I stand by the Scriptures; if False, then one cannot trust the Scriptures. God is an all knowing God, if so, what he gave to Daniel is 100 per cent Accurate and True. Gods Word never changes.

Christ did not: 1. Finish transgression, Israel as we do still transgresses today. 2. Put an end to sin, Israel as we do, still SIN (1 John 1:9) is still in effect today; Now Christ paid the penalty for sin, but did not put an end to it. 3. To atone for wickedness, one is still in their sin or wicked until acceptance in Christ (being in the Vine). 4. Bring in everlasting righteousness, We are not there yet, the unrighteous still abound, SIN still abounds. 5. Seal up vision and prophecy; Revelation is a prophetic book, there are prophecies though out the NT, people still have visions, so Christ did not seal them up. 6. Anoint the most holy, who is to do the anointing, Christs anoints Himself, I do not think so.

This prophecy was give for Daniels people (Israel) and Daniels holy city (Jerusalem) to Fulfill. This is where it is say: Seventy sevens are decreed for your...

In Christ

Montana Marv

He did do all that. He brought us out from under sin, paid the price for the penalty and gave us a way to break free from sin and walk in the light with the help of His Spirit. He said on the cross, 'it is finished' He put the time stamp, so to speak, on the end of the age, He atoned for all of us with His blood. Certainly sin exists today and will until the day there is no longer a fleshly human alive, we are 'annointed' with His blood able to go forward without the burden of death over our heads.

You have the rabbinical Judaism thoughts wrapped up thinking that Israel is the suffereing servant or something like that. As far as Rev. is there anything in there that is brand new information? I mean we see the whole pattern in Rev. but the info was given to the prophets over perhaps hundreds of years and John was chosen to hear and see it all then to write it down. Considering I think we all are Israel once we come to Him in faith and repentance so I do think these prophecies all have an effect on Israel as His body as well as physically involving the now state of Israel, I believe Judah is there in the land with a smattering of Israel thrown in but the two sticks do not reunite till He says so. If you or anyone else has the whole picture of prophecy and can accurately tell whats going to happen blow by blow, who is the ac and all then none would be arguing the 'facts'.

shalom,

Mizz