Definitions. Gospel

[Guest Waiting for His return!]

Hi everyone,

I agree with everyone her that the birth, life, death, resurection of Christ and His return are essential to the Gospel. But what about the purpose behind it? Maybe that goes without saying but all the knowledge of Christs life and death must be explained in relationship to the purpose for Christs life and death and the oppurtunity that we have to recieve forgiveness and eternal life because of it. A clear explanation of the implications of Christs life and death are also essential to the Gospel. Just my thoughts.

Eagerly waiting for Him

L

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Adstar,

The Question that now arises in my mind is can one accept the True Jesus without accepting in their heart/mind his teachings/instructions.

I know this is going to sound judgmental of me. But i feel a lot of people want Jesus as their savor but few want Him as their Lord. While others treat His Words as a smorgasbord, that they pass by picking up the stuff they like and ignoring the rest that conflicts with their own sense of right, their sense of logic.

Well, I don't see you sitting on a throne with a sceptor in your hands meteing out punishments, so I guess if you want to "righteously" judge something that you observe to be in disagreement with the scriptures, you have that right.

I agree with you, there are many who "talk the talk, but don't walk the walk". Jesus is going to say to them in that day: "Go away I never knew you."

By the way, if you "righteously" judge someone, isn't it a fact that you only wish to HELP them or MAKE THEM WELL? I bet that BEAM IN THEIR EYE, get's pretty sore at times? Suppose?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[yukon]

Gospel:

To me the Gospel is the birth of Jesus Christ, His life on earth, then many parables He shared, the many healings He did. The many teachings and He taught us to Love. Jesus whole life on earth was a witness to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

The pain and suffering Jesus went through on the cross for us. Jesus beared all of our sin and pain on the cross. He took a beating, spit upon, and nailed to a cross, and bled for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Jesus died on the cross, was buried in a tomb, raised three days later for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Jesus taught his disciples and the ppl on the mount to go out preach about me, preach about my love, teach them all about me, and show them how they can spend forever in Heaven with me. Teach them the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Jesus is now sitting on the right hand of His Father, God Almighty!!

and we are making Him very happy when we go out preaching and teaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Yukon

[sail2awe]

Colossians 1:22-23 But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation--if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

Additionally, it was not given to know the full extent of the Gospel until the prison epistles. The Gospel of the "adoption" being extended to the Gentiles [ethnos, or nations] was not taught in the 4 Gospels, as it was not yet revealed. God only teaches us a portion of a message until until His tiime for revealing is made ready. At this time, all things have been revealed. There are many things only now being unsealed, but they were revealed in that 1st century.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Sail2Awe

Additionally, it was not given to know the full extent of the Gospel until the prison epistles.  The Gospel of the "adoption" being extended to the Gentiles [ethnos, or nations] was not taught in the 4 Gospels, as it was not yet revealed. 

There may not have been much RECORDED of what Jesus taught regarding the "gentiles", but as you can see below, HE DID teach of the gospel going to the Gentiles:

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Matthew 12:21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

Luke 2:32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[sail2awe]

Greetings Sail2Awe

Additionally, it was not given to know the full extent of the Gospel until the prison epistles.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Sail To Awe,

Are you messing with me?

well, they could not be a light holder to the gentiles if they were to be just like the gentiles now could they?

Please go back and READ what I said. I pointed out an ERROR you seem to have made.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[sail2awe]

Daddy Ernie,

It was always taught that the Word would go forth to the Gentiles, but the Hebrews never "got it", so to speak. The Word did not go out unto them until after Christ had risen. Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to be saying Christ's ministry was also to the Gentiles in a general sense, but far from it.

Just because you posted some verses with the word "Gentile" in them doesn't mean Christ was teaching thema and that I am wrong, so please be more specific in how I am wrong. Please use quotes of my errors. Thanks in advance.

Matthew 12:21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Ma12:21 is quoting from Isa, and if we back up we can see what the subject is, and therefore be able to maintain the proper context with both the subject and the object.

Mat 12:16 And charged them that they should not make him known:

Mat 12:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,

both verses were prophesy at the time spoken, and they were not spoken to the Gentiles. Christ had just removed from the multitudes in the previous verse [15]

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Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

This occurs after Christ is risen from the grave, and I maintain that the Gentiles were not "common" in the spiritual equation, but hidden in Christ from before the foundation of the world. It is the "mystery" made known after Christ was risen.

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Luke 2:32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

Luke 2:32 is not about Christ

Edited October 1, 2004 by sail2awe

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Sail2,

Additionally, it was not given to know the full extent of the Gospel until the prison epistles.  The Gospel of the "adoption" being extended to the Gentiles [ethnos, or nations] was not taught in the 4 Gospels, as it was not yet revealed.

I simply showed you that indeed the Gospel going to the Gentiles WAS taught in the Gospels.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[sail2awe]

D Ernie,

I simply showed you that indeed the Gospel going to the Gentiles WAS taught in the Gospels.

I disagree. That the HS filled a man who quoted Isaiah is not the same as a teaching of the Gospel going out to the Gentiles.

All they did was acknowledge who Christ was, quoting the OT. There was no further instruction given to the Gentiles in the Gospels, nor to the Jews regarding the Gentile salvation program that was purposed before the foundation of the world.

I am not wrong about that, as stated above. The mystery was not made known to those of the Gospels, but later to Paul in the prison epistles the Mystery was made known.

Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

there you have it. it was not made known until the time of that writing.

Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

God divorced Israel, and had foreordained bringing into His fold the Gentiles as well as His people after the 1,000 years of education to the nations.

Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Eph 6:20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

The Gospel was not taught to the Gentiles until after Christ was murdered. Christ told us in John 17 that He had fulfilled all the prophesy written of Him. That is what He came here to do, and He did it, and no prophesy concerning Christ is ministering unto the Gentiles, is it?

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

Edited October 1, 2004 by sail2awe