The possibly False teachings of OSAS and Eternal Security

[He giveth more grace]

There is a big difference in someone plucking you out against your will, and walking away on your own. I can't pluck myself out of anything, but I can walk away. I have never understood how anyone can believe this scripture proves OSAS? All it proves is nobody can take my salvation from me against my will.

Butero, it is obvious that in this we part ways. Prideful man wants to do something, wants to work. A prideful man won't except God gift of salvation indiffernt of works. Ya'll don't understand what was done, the blood of Christ was applied and sprikled to the things in heaven, God was satified with Christ, there is no work that can keep us or cause us to lose our salvation. Salvation was for us, but the work of salvation is not about us. God identified us in Christ death, we are dead in Christ and we are resurrected in Christ to walk a new life.

My shoulder hurts, and I am l little bit naseated and don't really feel like getting heavy in to this.

[Guest]

.... If what he said is full of pride, I would argue that those who believe in OSAS are full of pride,....

My Pride

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. Galatians 4:6

And Yes Beloved Brother I'm Full Of It

And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Luke 4:4

Rejoicing With Great Joy Over This Eternal Feast Of Thanksgiving

Let thy mercies come also unto me, O LORD, even thy salvation, according to thy word. Psalms 119:41

Hallelujah~!

.... because those who hold to that belief think you have a part in your salvation, in that you must accept Jesus as your Lord and savior, (a work), to be saved. That involves something you do....

My Part

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Is His Gift

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

And He Alone Is My Joy And My Cry

What shall I render unto the LORD for all his benefits toward me? I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD. Psalms 116:12-13

For It Is In Neither Daisy Nor Tulip I Trust But In Jesus Christ My LORD And My God

I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys. As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters. Song Of Solomon 2:1-2

And I Love Him So

As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. Psalms 42:1

[He giveth more grace]

Well done, Joe.

[unworthy2]

I'm sorry but any system that says that nothing is required of us is not one I agree with. Any system which allows itself to live any way which we please with no accountability is not one I agree with.

I'd like to clarify what I meant here since some people seem to have gotten the wrong idea. (perhaps they haven't and are as ill against me either way, though I'd still like to clarify)

when I say "nothing is required of us" I am referring to post the moment of salvation and not inferring that salvation is predicated thereupon.

Salvation is not of works but is followed thereby. Saved not by works but TO works. Faith in Christ demonstrated by obedience.

All of the verses I quoted (whether applied to individual or corporate - as yes I realize that my lumping together of some of those verses was not as neat and tidy as I would've put together had I put more time into) simply were showing that there is something expected of us as a result of salvation. We are expected to OBEY.

What my quote above is saying is simply that any system which says that being a christian is a mere intellectual assent and nothing more is one I disagree with.

Nothing about salvation is predicated or dependent upon my works, but if I am born again it means that I do not live the way that I did before I was saved.

Edited January 13, 2012 by unworthy2

[alien224]

I do not believe in eternal security. It is mans choice to turn his back on God. What I can't understand is how people claim Jesus will take away your salvation. Salvation is a free gift from God all we have to do is take it. Then on the other hand all we have to do is lay it down and walk away. We choose ( free will choice) How we live our life. If we choose to make God the head of our hearts and lives we do not have to worry about eternal destination.

[enoob57]

I do not believe in eternal security. It is mans choice to turn his back on God. What I can't understand is how people claim Jesus will take away your salvation. Salvation is a free gift from God all we have to do is take it. Then on the other hand all we have to do is lay it down and walk away. We choose ( free will choice) How we live our life. If we choose to make God the head of our hearts and lives we do not have to worry about eternal destination.

Not much of a seal....2Cor 1:22, Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30, Rev 7:4... Love, Steven

[enoob57]

A lot of words have been spoken and 15 pages have elapsed so let us see what our Saviour Christ JESUS has to say on the matter: "Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent " (Rev2:5) If your first love was "being saved once for all" how can that be if our LORD said HE will remove thy candlestick out of his place ?. By the way, i am not getting into any major discussion, just a simple answer will suffice......

No

[taylor30]

I do not believe in eternal security. It is mans choice to turn his back on God. What I can't understand is how people claim Jesus will take away your salvation. Salvation is a free gift from God all we have to do is take it. Then on the other hand all we have to do is lay it down and walk away. We choose ( free will choice) How we live our life. If we choose to make God the head of our hearts and lives we do not have to worry about eternal destination.

You are making the false assumption that the gift of salvation is a gift you can give back. The actual reality is that you CANNOT give it back, and God will not take it back. That is why OSAS is true. Because once you have salvation, you are stuck with it. You CAN'T give it back and God WON'T take it back. Not a single scripture says otherwise.

[Michae]

Well, I would like to shake your hand cause you are mightier than God.

²⁷My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

²⁸And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. ²⁹My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 10

To make the statement you did you are swallowed up in pride.

If what he said is full of pride, I would argue that those who believe in OSAS are full of pride, because those who hold to that belief think you have a part in your salvation, in that you must accept Jesus as your Lord and savior, (a work), to be saved. That involves something you do. The only people who believe God is fully in control are those who believe in predestination and election. People in his camp just have a problem with all the people claiming to be saved that live worse than the heathen.

By the way, no man can pluck you out of God's hand, but it doesn't say you can't choose to walk away willingly.

I expected that! Which part of "no man" don't you understand.

There is a big difference in someone plucking you out against your will, and walking away on your own. I can't pluck myself out of anything, but I can walk away. I have never understood how anyone can believe this scripture proves OSAS? All it proves is nobody can take my salvation from me against my will.

A lot of words have been spoken and 15 pages have elapsed so let us see what our Saviour Christ JESUS has to say on the matter: "Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent " (Rev2:5) If your first love was "being saved once for all" how can that be if our LORD said HE will remove thy candlestick out of his place ?. By the way, i am not getting into any major discussion, just a simple answer will suffice......

Simple answer is you have quoted scripture that is not writen to the born again. We are the church of the living God with the Son as its head. The seven churchs has long since come to pass, I have heard many preach on which church we are out of the seven and none have ever agreed, mainly because they mistake one of the seven churchs as the church which is not true.

So the confusion continues as to what belongs to us in grace and what belongs to Israel under law. Look at Ananias and Sapphira in the 5th chapter of Acts, New Testiment but do you really think God was dealing with Israel under grace yet or the church.

Just about every place Paul mentions falling away it has to do with falling away from grace back into law keeping, not back slidden or walking away from God, that is modern theology that teachs a form of loosing their salvation, I believe out of ignorance but none the less very clever way of keeping the gears of religion greased and in operation.

Look at the debate in here, many are afraid if they dont make sunday service or pay their tithes or read their bibles they will some how fall out with God. Paul would say "you are being tossed to and fro" by the cleverness of men and their ideas of what they think God demands from a believer. Such philosophy and deceit is satan inspired and led. To commingle the scripture will lead to the confusion the body of Christ suffers today, the hope is still the same the message has not changed it is still Christ in you the hope of glory. Men lose hope because they dont see Christ as salvation though He is in the born again.

[enoob57]

A lot of words have been spoken and 15 pages have elapsed so let us see what our Saviour Christ JESUS has to say on the matter: "Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent " (Rev2:5) If your first love was "being saved once for all" how can that be if our LORD said HE will remove thy candlestick out of his place ?. By the way, i am not getting into any major discussion, just a simple answer will suffice......

No

No what ?

This letter is not to the individual per say, but is to the corporate body of believers... The Church was in danger of losing its work and witness for God... They had grown away from the simplicity that is in Christ "when we first Loved".... if a Church loses it acceptance of sinners by condemnation the purpose of the way, truth and life Christ has brought into the world is lost... Always remember no matter how vile the person before us- we always must Love with same we also received! Love, Steven