The possibly False teachings of OSAS and Eternal Security

[Guest shiloh357]

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[taylor30]

Hello everyone. I just want to add my 2¢. The passage in Hebrews 6:4 that people are discussing above me it should be very clear why this is NOT talking about saved people losing their salvation. Because it says it is IMPOSSIBLE to renew them to repentance. THEREFORE, if that passage did mean people losing salvation, it would also be saying that if,you lose salvation, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to get it back. Common sense and logic must prevail. This passage is NOT talking about losing your salvation. God Bless.

[oak]

"Let your hearts not be troubled.Believe in God; Believe also in me." Jn 14:1

[nChrist]

Oak, for what it's worth, I viewed your post the same way that Shiloh did. Further, this is not a subject for levity.

[Guest shiloh357]

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[oak]

"Let your hearts not be troubled.Believe in God; Believe also in me." Jn 14:1

[Michae]

I was trying to quote Shiloh but my quoter button not working. You really have some good thoughts on Heb 6, it like others places in Pauls epistles deals with a falling away. Gal, Paul deals with falling out of grace by going back into law. That was a real problem of the day because the law was so intrenched in their minds.

On another note i dont believe Paul wrote Hebrews, most suppose he did but Hebrews is full of law as wrll as it doesnt start out like Pauls other epistles. If you follow Paul long enough you will see how he has a fear if ever mixing law and grace together. You will never find any law in the Pauline epistles.

Even in Acts he is the first to say "believe" unto salvation, when others were saying repent and be baptised.

Another point is for the posters in this thread is you have to divide soul and spirit when quoting the scriptures, there is numerous contradictions because a lack of dividing the scriptures.

[Guest shiloh357]

Don't worry oak. I am not holding any grudges. I operate in forgiveness and am not holding anything agaisnt you. Let's just move on with the topic at hand.

[Michae]

Off topic for just a bit, as I roll around some thoughts on forum chat in general my mind keep coming to the same place.

I believe there was a time when church and sunday school was enough for a believer to grow up into Christ and maturity. I dont believe that anymore, teachers used to teach how to study Gods word as well as their understanding of it. Today it seems like all we get from teachers is their understanding which is good if they know how to study.

It does seem apparent the teachers of today in general have failed, granted the internet is a diff animal and doesnt always bring out the best in people but you still get to look into the hearts of those that have been taught.

I get the thing where we have diff understandings but where I really see the difference is in the knowledge of study habits or knowing how to read and dig in with understanding, i.e; dividing the scriptures as well as dividing soul and spirit, that was taught as 101, not so much anymore it seems.

What teachers used to do was teach you how to study and trust the Holy Spirit to lead you, God forbid that happen today, most teachers and even leaders will tell you if you dont adhear to our voice you will fall prey to the enemy or some cult, everything that doesnt line up with what we believe is labeled cult, that is heritical and contradicts the word of God that says "you have no need of any man to teach you", 1st John 2:27, can any give some understanding on that verse, pray the Lord opens our minds to the deep things of God only revealed by the Holy Spirit.

Edited January 21, 2012 by Michae

[enoob57]

Off topic for just a bit, as I roll around some thoughts on forum chat in general my mind keep coming to the same place.

I believe there was a time when church and sunday school was enough for a believer to grow up into Christ and maturity. I dont believe that anymore, teachers used to teach how to study Gods word as well as their understanding of it. Today it seems like all we get from teachers is their understanding which is good if they know how to study.

It does seem apparent the teachers of today in general have failed, granted the internet is a diff animal and doesnt always bring out the best in people but you still get to look into the hearts of those that have been taught.

I get the thing where we have diff understandings but where I really see the difference is in the knowkedge study habits ir knowing how to read with understanding.

What teachers ysed to do was teach you how to study and trust the Holy Spirit to lead you, God forbid that happen today, most teachers and even leaders will tell you if you dont adhear to our voice you will fall prey to the enemy, that contradicts the word of God that says "you have no need of any man to teach you", can any give some understanding on the verse, pray the Lord opens our minds to the deep things of God only revealed by the Holy Spirit.

In a humble heart, a heart that needs outside of itself to gain what it cannot for itself, a person is able to receive istruction from creation and man all taken through the wine press of God's Word by the Holy Spirit The Teacher. As I see it- we are settting in a 3-D classroom and things that are brought into our lives are for our learning of the Wonders of Our Lord. The greatest beauty in this world 'IS' The Purpose God reveals in Life to learning of what is good and why it is so... Love, Steven