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[Guest Be real]

I've heard so much talk about "once saved, always saved" I don't know what any of this means though. Anyone want to share their thoughts, or what it means?

-v

[Work in Progress]

There are two schools of thought. One says that, once a person becomes a Christian, it is impossible for them to become "unsaved", or revert back to the nonChristian state.

The other says that a person can most certainly become "unsaved", and be once again "lost" and wind up in eternity apart from God.

Those that believe you can not "lose" your salvation, by an act of even yourself, will say that the person was never truly "saved" in the first place, but was only "talking the talk" and deceiving themselves.

Both "sides" can put forth Scripture to support their belief. You just have to read for yourself, pray for understanding and come to your own conclusion. Hope that helps.

[ann2]

Very good answer to a difficult question.

[other one]

work, that is a very good short description of the concept.

[shammah]

The once saved always saved people, don't take into consideration that in many countries one must be willing to die for their faith! You can truely believe and accept the lord into your life, but not be willing to die for Him but rather deny your faith, in which the Lord says He will deny you.

Also study the parables of the seeds, most of them believed and began to grow but fell away because of persecuton, or the cares and riches of this life.

Remeber the rich man could not enter the kingdom because he loved money more than God.

The scriptures also clearly states that if tou love mother ,father ,sister, brother, your spouse, or even your own life ,more than God, you are not worthy of the Kingdom.

Also read Heb.6, and Heb.10; and it talks about those who fall away, continually putting Christ to an open shame, and also it would have been better to not have known the way of righteousness , than to become a believer and then turn your back on the holy commandment by which you had been set free.

Also as the body without the Spirit is dead , so faith without works is dead! You see many that have faith are without works of righteousness, or fruits,

: can a dead faith save them?

Also Heb.5:9 Christ says that he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that OBEY Him!

So it takes more that a one time confession; thats just the beginning, then there is the fruit of an active faith producing works in Love, through obedieance, and finally you must remain faithful until the end; so that your name will not be blotted out of the book of life, of which Rev.3:5, speaks of!

Sorry; but the way is difficult and narrow, and few there be that find it!

Agape; Ephraim.

[nebula]

I've heard so much talk about "once saved, always saved" I don't know what any of this means though. Anyone want to share their thoughts, or what it means?

-v

If I had more time right now, I'd do this myself.

But would someone post some links to the last five or ten times this topic was brought up? :sweating:

(Then no posting until after you have read everything that has already been said - and only post if you still have something completely new to say! :oww: )

P.S. For clarity since face espressions can't be transmitted on-line, I speak with a slight edge of tease here. But only slight.

[Orr v'emet]

There are two schools of thought. One says that, once a person becomes a Christian, it is impossible for them to become "unsaved", or revert back to the nonChristian state.

The other says that a person can most certainly become "unsaved", and be once again "lost" and wind up in eternity apart from God.

Those that believe you can not "lose" your salvation, by an act of even yourself, will say that the person was never truly "saved" in the first place, but was only "talking the talk" and deceiving themselves.

Both "sides" can put forth Scripture to support their belief. You just have to read for yourself, pray for understanding and come to your own conclusion. Hope that helps.

Great summary of what both sides believe. Frankly I have been on both sides and the advice you gave as well. Both sides can give scripture supporting either side but my advice too is to study for yourself, pray and ask the Lord to show you. Trust me though, it will likely not be an easy task!

[Kabowd]

I'd suggest doing a search as this topic has been discussed numerous times and those threads will contain alot of information (for either side).