The Church, Israel and spiritual gifts.

[mizzdy]

In 1 Cor. 10 we are being warned that even though those first Israelites came out of the desert in faith that faith was weak, they saw His miracles, was part of one of the greatest miracles of all at that time and still their hearts were far from Him. Then we see the second generation that learned to trust, have faith daily, God taught them what it was like to walk in His ways just as He now does today through His Spirit. Just because we get 'saved' doesnt mean we have learned to walk correctly and thats what He shows us how to do.

My thoughts about who Israel is and the church is not a popular one here but I firmly believe we are all Israel, all who are faithful who confess His name and obey His ways. And don't we truly see that by those who walked through the Jordan, Caleb was not an Israelite yet God saw a 'diiferent' spirit one that wanted to know and obey God. I see us all much like Caleb, a Kenizzite, a gentile found worthy grafted into Judah and became someone God loved and called upon, he was grafted into Israel because of His faith. If we are walking with the Spirit guiding us we will be producing the fruits, we can call upon His Name and His power though the gifts He gives us. My take on it all.

shalom,

Mizz

Just curious are you a Gerald Flurry fan?

No not particularly, are you? No not a fan of the offshoots of Armstrongs churches, my husband grew up in Armstrongs church. Armstrong and the rest feel they are 'the church of God' and all must join to it, they do not believe we are all Israel but Ephraim and Manneseh, that whole brit/Israel thing and I don't. Thy are also now speaking firmly out against any other groups that keep the Sabbath as 'cults' kinda funny if you ask me. I am Messianic.

shalom,

Mizz

[coheir]

In 1 Cor. 10 we are being warned that even though those first Israelites came out of the desert in faith that faith was weak, they saw His miracles, was part of one of the greatest miracles of all at that time and still their hearts were far from Him. Then we see the second generation that learned to trust, have faith daily, God taught them what it was like to walk in His ways just as He now does today through His Spirit. Just because we get 'saved' doesnt mean we have learned to walk correctly and thats what He shows us how to do.

My thoughts about who Israel is and the church is not a popular one here but I firmly believe we are all Israel, all who are faithful who confess His name and obey His ways. And don't we truly see that by those who walked through the Jordan, Caleb was not an Israelite yet God saw a 'diiferent' spirit one that wanted to know and obey God. I see us all much like Caleb, a Kenizzite, a gentile found worthy grafted into Judah and became someone God loved and called upon, he was grafted into Israel because of His faith. If we are walking with the Spirit guiding us we will be producing the fruits, we can call upon His Name and His power though the gifts He gives us. My take on it all.

shalom,

Mizz

Just curious are you a Gerald Flurry fan?

No not particularly, are you? No not a fan of the offshoots of Armstrongs churches, my husband grew up in Armstrongs church. Armstrong and the rest feel they are 'the church of God' and all must join to it, they do not believe we are all Israel but Ephraim and Manneseh, that whole brit/Israel thing and I don't. Thy are also now speaking firmly out against any other groups that keep the Sabbath as 'cults' kinda funny if you ask me. I am Messianic.

shalom,

Mizz

you certainly do not owe me any explanation, Im just curious after reading some of your post. Please do not take offence for my question. we each have our own beliefs thats our right.

do you agree with this site

http://www.shema.com/messianic_judaism.php

Thanks

I forgot to answer your question my belief is in the new covenant very much like this site Im asking you to comment on.

Edited February 16, 2012 by coheir

[mizzdy]

In 1 Cor. 10 we are being warned that even though those first Israelites came out of the desert in faith that faith was weak, they saw His miracles, was part of one of the greatest miracles of all at that time and still their hearts were far from Him. Then we see the second generation that learned to trust, have faith daily, God taught them what it was like to walk in His ways just as He now does today through His Spirit. Just because we get 'saved' doesnt mean we have learned to walk correctly and thats what He shows us how to do.

My thoughts about who Israel is and the church is not a popular one here but I firmly believe we are all Israel, all who are faithful who confess His name and obey His ways. And don't we truly see that by those who walked through the Jordan, Caleb was not an Israelite yet God saw a 'diiferent' spirit one that wanted to know and obey God. I see us all much like Caleb, a Kenizzite, a gentile found worthy grafted into Judah and became someone God loved and called upon, he was grafted into Israel because of His faith. If we are walking with the Spirit guiding us we will be producing the fruits, we can call upon His Name and His power though the gifts He gives us. My take on it all.

shalom,

Mizz

Just curious are you a Gerald Flurry fan?

No not particularly, are you? No not a fan of the offshoots of Armstrongs churches, my husband grew up in Armstrongs church. Armstrong and the rest feel they are 'the church of God' and all must join to it, they do not believe we are all Israel but Ephraim and Manneseh, that whole brit/Israel thing and I don't. Thy are also now speaking firmly out against any other groups that keep the Sabbath as 'cults' kinda funny if you ask me. I am Messianic.

shalom,

Mizz

you certainly do not owe me any explaination, Im just curious after reading some of your post. Please do not take offence for my question.

do you agree with this site

http://www.shema.com/messianic_judaism.php

Thanks

I'm not Jewish. I do keep the Sabbath, I also celebrate His feasts. Messianic is simply a title really, we all are Messianics, awaiting His return, its my positition that we are all Israel, all who come to Him in faith and call upon His name for salvation. I wasn't taken any offensive at all just clarifying, often I get lumped into the whole brit/am two house only kinda stuff even by some here.

shalom,

Mizz