Is God Yahweh or Jesus?

[Ephesians__6_24]

Whose name should we call upon?

First off it is helpful to know a bit about the original Hebrew names of God and His Son. In the OT God's Son is called The angel of YHWH.

Prov 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

The name of God's Son was not revealed until the angel named the child "JESUS"

Luke 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

Luke 1:30-31

Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Ephesians 3:9 ... the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Where is God's Son called the angel of YHWH?

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Matthew 28 indicates that the Angel of the Lord is not Jesus

Matthew 28:1-9

Matt 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Matt 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

Matt 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:

Matt 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.

Matt 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

Matt 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Matt 28:7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

Matt 28:8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.

Matt 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Whose name should we call upon?

Galatians 4:6

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Mark 14:36

And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

Edited February 18, 2012 by Ephesians__6_24

[mamaelephant]

Where is God's Son called the angel of YHWH?

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Matthew 28 indicates that the Angel of the Lord is not Jesus

Matthew 28:1-9

Matt 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Matt 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

Matt 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:

Matt 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.

Matt 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

Matt 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Matt 28:7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

Matt 28:8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.

Matt 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Thanks. When reading the OT we see the Angel of YHWH receives worship, then we know that this is God's Son, for angels never accept worship, Revelation 19:10; 22:9 but God's Son does, because he is God. http://bible.cc/colossians/1-15.htm

Also the angel of YHWH is called YHWH when people address him. Genesis 18 and 19

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. Revelation 12:5-14 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!” The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

“Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!”

"I am YHWH; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols." Isaiah 42:8

Edited February 18, 2012 by mamaelephant

[mamaelephant]

Romans 8:11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?

1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

Can you answer me also, simply with direct scripture... Whose Spirit?

Jesus'

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Galatians 4:6

God, The Holy Ghost

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26

Acts 16:7 When they came to the border of Mysia, they tried to enter Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to.

You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. Romans 8:9

Edited February 18, 2012 by mamaelephant

[mamaelephant]

This is the chapter in the Bible that brought me to the Truth concerning the Godhead. Please read the entire chapter.

John chapter 14

17even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

18“I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. 21Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” 22Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?” 23Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

[Littlelambseativy]

Jesus told His disciples to pray saying 'Our Father' and then He said to ask the Father in His name - so we should begin with "Father" and end with "in Jesus name, Amen".

[Ephesians__6_24]

When reading the OT we see the Angel of YHWH receives worship, then we know that this is God's Son, for angels never accept worship, Revelation 19:10; 22:9 but God's Son does, because he is God. http://bible.cc/colossians/1-15.htm

Also the angel of YHWH is called YHWH when people address him. Genesis 18 and 19

Are you relating the Angel of YHWH to receiving worship because of Genesis 19:1?

Genesis 18 never says the word "angel" (as to whether or not they were men and/or angels and/or the LORD, we would have to study that to find out).

Is Genesis 19:1 referring to God's son?

(It says "angels" - plural)

Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

- Lot bowed himself with his face toward the ground... are you wondering if this is "worship" ?

- Genesis 23:7 indicates that "Abraham stood up, and bowed himself to the people of the land, even to the children of Heth."

- Did Abraham worship the children of Heth?

- As to verse 18 of Genesis 19...

¹⁸And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my LORD:

- It states in Malachi that the priest is the messenger of the LORD... (Malachi 2:7)

- So could Lot saying unto the two angels "my LORD" mean that the angels were the messengers of the LORD and speaking for The LORD?

Edited February 18, 2012 by Ephesians__6_24

[mamaelephant]

I didn't dig up specific examples (I know the book I was reading didn't use those) because it isn't really important to the OP. It is something I just happened to learn. It isn't needed.

So no need to prove myself right. I might be wrong.

I might come back later with examples of God the Son in the OT, that might be helpful, but that is not exactly the same point.

Edited February 18, 2012 by mamaelephant

[mamaelephant]

"Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name." -- Acts 15:14

What was that name? Is there a scripture that very simply and directly answers this question?

Acts 11:26 And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians.

Acts 26:28, "Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian"

1 Peter 4:16, "Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed."

[Larry 2]

Jesus prayed to our Father … John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

John 16:23 . . Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in My name, He will give it you.

Is Jesus Jehovah also? Yes, but He is not our Father.

Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD (Jehovah); and beside me there is no saviour.

Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

My understanding of the Hebrew word Yahweh is the vocalized word YHWH or Jehovah.

Wikipedia provides the following explanation.

ehovah ( /dʒɨˈhoʊvə/) is ananglicized representation ofHebrew יְהֹוָה, a vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה(YHWH), the proper name of theGod of Israel in the Hebrew Bible.[1]

יְהֹוָה appears 6,518 times in the traditional Masoretic Text, in addition to 305 instances of יֱהֹוִה(Jehovih).[2] The earliest availableLatin text to use a vocalization similar to Jehovah dates from the 13th century.[3]

Most scholars believe "Jehovah" to be a late (ca. 1100 CE) hybrid form derived by combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, but there is some evidence that it may already have been in use in Late Antiquity(5th century).[4][5] It was not the historical vocalization of the Tetragrammaton at the time of the redaction of the Pentateuch (6th century BCE), at which time the most likely vocalization was Yahweh. The historical vocalization was lost because in Second Temple Judaism, during the 3rd to 2nd centuries BCE, the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton came to be avoided, being substituted with Adonai "my Lord".