The death penalty

[Arthur Durnan]

Please let me know as soon as abolitionists publicly underscore a call for a concentrated law against individuals with murderous intent killing innocent citizens walking along the street, minding their own business. This call by abolitionists should insist on the death penalty after a trial by peers and after one rejected appeal. And when will the abolitionists parade outside prison walls AND outside State Houses with their candles. placards & hymn-singing on behalf of the innocent citizens, including boys & girls, who were ruthlessly murdered? Any time soon? Any time at all? Probably not, yes? Abolition needs overhauling, root and branch.

[Guest AndrewCothran]

there are innocents in any court system. all we can do is try not to charge them with a crime. we are alot closer to that day then a few decades ago.we executed bin laden on far less evidence then the average american would need to be executed.

Well actually Bin Laden was not executed he was shot during a raid but that is beside the point .

I agree that we are closer than a few decades ago ..however the issue is more than what is the best direction to move in in regards to how we try an individual ..it is about a human life .. the value of one human life should call our attention and upmost efforts to ensuring that NO ONE is executed unjustly .. the best way to do that is to abolish the practice altogether ,

actually there was no attempt to take him alive and the orders were to kill him not capture. sorry i disagree. i train the in army national guard to run prisons and all these violent offenders are held in solitary both in civilian jails and military. they dont get much time out in the light. now imagine 40 years of that. what would you choose if you knew you are guilty? death or that till you die?

You missed something i said he was killed in a raid ..It was indeed a raid he was not executed ..To answer your question i would choose to live regardless but i would find a way to escape so that point is actually moot ..Also are we talking about terrorists here or death row in general ?

both as we have killed him and if you did that in war time we would be fully authorised(depending on roe) to shoot to kill. and im sure the well armed citizens wouldnt mind assisting in your capture.

In my case there would be no capture in the first place that was my point earlier ..As far as well armed citizens ..Whom are you thinking about ? The well armed citizens who detest the presence of US troops ..who are our enemies ..Or the well armed citizens here in the United States .. If it is the former i promise you would not find cooperatives so willing and if it is the latter the issue of well armed citizens in the USA cooperating would be retarded by the fact that as Americans we are so divided, that it would be a key stone cop scenario ..Of course i being captured , shot or escaping is a fantasy ..stemming from a previous example ...Personally i detest violence and am far from being a terrorist ..NOW lets get back to the subject of the death penalty itself in the context of civilian courts not military courts ..thank you ..

[Guest AndrewCothran]

Please let me know as soon as abolitionists publicly underscore a call for a concentrated law against individuals with murderous intent killing innocent citizens walking along the street, minding their own business. This call by abolitionists should insist on the death penalty after a trial by peers and after one rejected appeal. And when will the abolitionists parade outside prison walls AND outside State Houses with their candles. placards & hymn-singing on behalf of the innocent citizens, including boys & girls, who were ruthlessly murdered? Any time soon? Any time at all? Probably not, yes? Abolition needs overhauling, root and branch.

Nevermind

Edited February 25, 2012 by AndrewCothran

[Denise37]

My understanding of the new testament is that you shoukdnt have the death penalty. Personally I woukdnt execute even my worst enemies.

From what I remember there is a story somewhere in the Bible where Jesus said" " Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" for something that the old testament law would condemn het to death.

Now somewhere in the new testament Jesus sais that he did not come to destroy the law but to confirm it. How do you explain that?

Also, I have another question and that is can someone reason for me why did God change from fight your enemies to love your enemies? It's a question many people ask when they talk about Christianity.

I'm against

"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." Matt. 5:17

"But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, & pray for those who spitefully use you & persecute you." Matt. 5:44

Bc God is love...

"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; & everyone who loves is born of God & knows God. He who does not love does not know God, for God is love." 1John 4:7-8

"In this love, not that we loved God, but that HE loved US & sent. His Son to be the propitiation for our sins." 1John 4:10

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgement you judge, you will be judged; & with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. & why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, & then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." Matt. 7:1-3 & 5

Edited February 25, 2012 by Denise37

[enoob57]

Well God instituted it way back in the garden and has been in effect for thousands of years ....

I am a real believer in the death penalty... it has taught me much about the legislation of God my Father... Love, Steven

[Guest AndrewCothran]

Well God instituted it way back in the garden and has been in effect for thousands of years ....

I am a real believer in the death penalty... it has taught me much about the legislation of God my Father... Love, Steven

No he didn't ...What on earth are you talking about ?

[ayin jade]

BTW, can you give me the name & address of any convicted & executed innocent murderer in the USA?

Here is a whole bunch of them Arthur.

http://listverse.com/2010/01/12/10-convicts-presumed-innocent-after-execution/

[ayin jade]

I voted for the death penalty in Arizona when I was unsaved. Since then Ive wondered if I should be in favor of it or not. A large part of me wonders not about the rightness or wrongness of their convictions but whether or not the death penalty shortens the time they have to get saved. Do we as a society have that right to determine they should be executed and by that have less time to get to know the Lord? Hope Im never on a jury to decide such a fate. I could not.

[Arthur Durnan]

Practically every convicted murderer claims total innocence re their dastardly deeds just as a vicious dog-owner assures one and all that "My dog has never bitten anybody!" I read your list and remain decidedly underwhelmed in view of the fact that their juries saw the clear-cut evidence which led to their convictions. Their appeals werre heard & denied in a court of law. In point of fact I believe that six of those specific convicted killers were turned down after later investigation re any discrepancy. Convicted murderers don't really appreciate the idea of their being duly executed by the State for horrendous crimes after a trial by peers & a finding of guilt. They much prefer to live on and on for decades at your expense even tho their slaughtered victims lie a-rotting in their tombs!

I also note that you somehow failed to mention the complete & proven innocence of each of their slaughtered victims! Why were those innocent victims executed without so much as a bat of the eyelash, a trial by jury, a date of death or a final visit by a Judeo-Christian counselor! Why no mention?

The death penalty remains the most effective instrument in a court's arsenal for guaranteeing that copnvicted killer will never murder anyone ever again which, of course, is the prime reason for the implementation of the death penalty, ie, to exact a life for a life. Those who do not respect innocent human life must be prepared to sacrifice their own in the light of, for instance, Genesis 9:6 which, of course, has never been rescinded or altered by the Creator-God. And again, when will abolitionists commence candle-light hymn-sings & prayers outside the residences (or at the grave-sites) of murdered individuals including innocent boys & girls? Any time soon? Moss-back abolition, in our estimation, has long run its course.

[jasoncran]

not all abolitionists are like that, my brother is anti-abortion and anti-death penalty.

he is saved.

Edited February 26, 2012 by jasoncran