WWII was a mistake

[jcm]

Oak, he wasn't saying it was a mistake. The point he was trying to make was that the anti-Iraq-war viewpoint is wrong.

[Kabowd]

I did read the whole post, and the is contradicting to earlier statements. one should never compare one war to another because no two wars are the same.. except the dieing....there more modern facts to be used instead of making oru past heroes look like they died and fought for nothing,, maybe instead of talking about the war why dont you go and help fight the war then come back and say it was a mistake.....I really get ticked off when people who have never been in combat try to tell us who have that what we fought for was a mistake...instead of reading history why dont ya help make history.........oak

Are you trying to miss the point and take offense on purpose? Jon supports WWII. He was showing how ridiculous it is to make such claims about matters of war and calling it a "mistake". He was NOT disrespecting veterans in any way, shape or form. You're missing his entire point and don't even realize what he is saying is honoring to ppl such as yourself who fought for our country.

[AnotherTraveler]

Come on people, read and think, read and think....

Oh, then think, huh? Not a bad idea, I'll have to try that.

[Ovedya]

I think that "J the J" has a valid point. No, no two wars are the same. But there are parallels that are worth noting.

BTW: I think that it fair to say that America was aware of the german concentration camps from intelligence sources and rumor, but we didn't fully know the extent of what Hitler was doing. In other words, I believe that there was much speculatiojn about these simply being prison camps and nothing more. I don't think there is any evidence we knew about the rapes, torture, human experiements, and mass executions beforehand.

[Leonard]

Hey Steff, ever heard of a little place called "Kuwait" or "Iran"????

[serotta]

You do know that Pearl Harbor was a sham right? They knew Pearl Harbor was going to happen, but they needed to have a high body count for public opinion so they let 2000+ servicemen die for public opinion.

Steff, it's time to take off the tin-foil cap. This is pure speculation based on biased and innacurate research.

[Steff]

No Serotta, That is fact. FDR knew Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor. Even the history channel no longer denies it.

The official story (long ago discredited, yet still touted in Hollywood B-movies) was that Japanese forces caught the US totally off guard when they brutally attacked on December 7, 1941.

It was a lie. Many historians believe that members of Franklin D. Roosevelt's administration actually knew about the impending assault, and just let the carnage roll in order to get the US public primed for war with Japan.

In his 1982 book 'Infamy: Pearl Harbor and Its Aftermath', Pulitzer-prize winner John Toland reveals that almost everything the Japanese were planning to do "was known to the United States" on the morning of the attack, via intercepted messages never communicated to commanders at Pearl Harbor. He cites the case of US counterintelligence translator Dorothy Edgers who uncovered critical Japanese messages days before the assault, including "a scheme of signals regarding the movement and exact position of warships and carriers in Pearl Harbor." But Edgers' boss, Alwin Kramer, seemed "more annoyed than electrified" at the discovery and ordered her to "run along home." Unbeknownst to Edgers, Kramer was part of the subterfuge.

We all know what happened next. Japanese bombs rained down on the US naval vessels and aircraft poised like sitting ducks at Pearl Harbor, and the ensuing bloodbath left over 2,400 US service members and civilians dead. The following day, Congress voted overwhelmingly to give FDR all of the resources he wanted to wage war with Japan.

[apothanein kerdos]

No Serotta, That is fact. FDR knew Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor. Even the history channel no longer denies it.

The official story (long ago discredited, yet still touted in Hollywood B-movies) was that Japanese forces caught the US totally off guard when they brutally attacked on December 7, 1941.

It was a lie. Many historians believe that members of Franklin D. Roosevelt's administration actually knew about the impending assault, and just let the carnage roll in order to get the US public primed for war with Japan.

In his 1982 book 'Infamy: Pearl Harbor and Its Aftermath', Pulitzer-prize winner John Toland reveals that almost everything the Japanese were planning to do "was known to the United States" on the morning of the attack, via intercepted messages never communicated to commanders at Pearl Harbor. He cites the case of US counterintelligence translator Dorothy Edgers who uncovered critical Japanese messages days before the assault, including "a scheme of signals regarding the movement and exact position of warships and carriers in Pearl Harbor." But Edgers' boss, Alwin Kramer, seemed "more annoyed than electrified" at the discovery and ordered her to "run along home." Unbeknownst to Edgers, Kramer was part of the subterfuge.

We all know what happened next. Japanese bombs rained down on the US naval vessels and aircraft poised like sitting ducks at Pearl Harbor, and the ensuing bloodbath left over 2,400 US service members and civilians dead. The following day, Congress voted overwhelmingly to give FDR all of the resources he wanted to wage war with Japan.

The problem is, the history channel doesn't say what you're teaching. What they teach is that FDR has warnings that there would be an attack on a US Naval base, we just didn't know when or which one. Many thought that it would actually be California. Others predicted Hawaii. Pearl Harbor, like 9/11, was a result of poor interpretation of the evidence.

[Steff]

The problem is, the history channel doesn't say what you're teaching. What they teach is that FDR has warnings that there would be an attack on a US Naval base, we just didn't know when or which one. Many thought that it would actually be California. Others predicted Hawaii. Pearl Harbor, like 9/11, was a result of poor interpretation of the evidence.

Officially maybe but there isn't just 2 or 3 pieces of evidence pointing out that FDR knew ahead of time, but dozens.

It's time to face the facts that our government willingly let 2400 people die to galvanize public opinion towards the war.

[serotta]

And from what I've read, I will respectfully disagree with your conclusion Steff.