Killing And The Christian

[Fez]

Written by flight officer Magee, on his leg pad, in the cockpit of a spitfire, before the battle of Britain, which saved England and countless thousands of lives.

It is one of my favorite poems, and does credit to those very few men who defended their country, and killed for it, and died for it. Without them Nike's would have been out and the jackboot the preferred footwear.

HIGH FLIGHT

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth

And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;

Sunward I’ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth

of sun-split clouds, — and done a hundred things

You have not dreamed of—wheeled and soared and swung

High in the sunlit silence. Hov’ring there,

I’ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung

My eager craft through footless halls of air....

Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue

I’ve topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace

Where never lark nor even eagle flew—

And, while with silent lifting mind I’ve trod

The high untrespassed sanctity of space,

Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

John Gillespie Magee

They all deserve to be remembered, as does every one of us who have fought so that places like Worthy exist....

[ncn]

They all deserve to be remembered, as does every one of us who have fought so that places like Worthy exist....

We also always need to remember the families of those that served who waited for the return of a loved one.

Families also play an enormous part in our debit of gratitude.

As do the organisations that now take care of disabled Veterans.

Without those organisations many of us would have no home.

[jasoncran]

Oh well, I guess I'm a criminal, shame on me for doing my part to preserve freedom.

same here. we should have sent christians to dance with palenstianians when the towers fell.

[jasoncran]

You would be surprised who said this. He is long dead but his statement is true for all the wars the US ever fought.

"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

Hermann Göring at the Nuremberg Trials said this. Are you equating the US to Nazi Germany?

No, but the principle fits all the US wars ever fought. You might want to do your own research. The easy ones are Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. The rest you will have to dig some but you will find it. I spent 5 years preparing to teach US and European Culture and 22 years doing it in a public high school.

I sure hope you don't move to my grandchildren's school district (not telling, just in case), because if you do or somebody with the same thought comes in and teach such unpatriotic garbage , I'm going to the School Board and I will be giving them an ear full. (and I know how to speak in public, it won't bother me one bit)

Some might be wondering why Oldzimm (a Vet.) hasn't been jumping in a lot on this thread. Because Mr Oldzimm figures it is a waste of time, arguing with people who are clueless on their freedoms and how they got their freedoms. These same people don't seem to realize that if it hasn't been for our brave men and women in uniform, fighting and some of them dying for this precious freedom, they would probably be thrown in prison by now.

I don't need to do research on Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, I was in the Military (US Army) for all three and then some. In Vietnam we were fighting the evils of Communism. If I remember right, the Pentagon and the World Trade Center (remember the two large buildings that are no longer there) were attacked by planes, how many innocent lives were lost? Gee maybe those plane attacks were the reason we were in Iraq and Afghanistan. In Iraq (where my boots spent nearly a year, OIF1) the people needed us there badly, that S.O.B. by the name of Saddam Hussein and his two sons had to go, I could tell you stories about them, but I don't want to ruin your dinner.

Then you mentioned about Sergeant York and Audie Murphy, well let me tell you about those two men and all the other Medal of Honor recipients. Those people went above and beyond the call of duty and they saved thousands of both American and Ally lives. Most Medal of Honor recipients don't even live to have the medal placed around their necks, that is love for their fella soldiers, the USA and our way of life.

John 15:13

English Standard Version (ESV)

Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.

sgt york ah yes the heathen that got saved then went to fight agaisnt the germans in ww1 and did so believing in the very idea that if one ought to love one brother he should be willing to die for him.

[xero]

Satan was a murderer from the beginning. Gods Word is His commandment and it is eternal life there is no death in eternal life but God has allowed this time of temptation as mathematical proof of His Word which is One. God doesnt curse He blesses man makes His blessing a curse and Jesus demonstrated this on the cross and proved beyond reason of doubt that death only has power to those who dont believe in His commandment which is eternal life.

Knowing the Kingdom of God is within you should be a certain indicator that the kingdoms of man are apostasy. God is King. The earth is His footstool. No man can claim authority if their law is contrary to God. God is Author so His law is authority and exercising righteous judgement is as God. Jesus laughs death to death. "Death where is thy sting?" lol Righteous judgement leads to eternal life if you want to save man cast out demons and raise the dead like Yhowshuwa or else keep your peace and die like a martyr if God so intended. Wars and rumors of wars are signs of the times. Dont get sucked in to the psychdrama life is eternal and the beast cant kill us. We dont have to live as slaves to tyranny but we cant rise in violent revolt. We have to speak against evil, not participate in it, and if that leads to being mudered than so be it.

Edited April 27, 2012 by xero

[jasoncran]

Satan was a murderer from the beginning. Gods Word is His commandment and it is eternal life there is no death in eternal life but God has allowed this time of temptation as mathematical proof of His Word which is One. God doesnt curse He blesses man makes His blessing a curse and Jesus demonstrated this on the cross and proved beyond reason of doubt that death only has power to those who dont believe in His commandment which is eternal life.

Knowing the Kingdom of God is within you should be a certain indicator that the kingdoms of man are apostasy. God is King. The earth is His footstool. No man can claim authority if their law is contrary to God. God is Author so His law is authority and exercising righteous judgement is as God. Jesus laughs death to death. "Death where is thy sting?" lol Righteous judgement leads to eternal life if you want to save man cast out demons and raise the dead like Yhowshuwa or else keep your peace and die like a martyr if God so intended. Wars and rumors of wars are signs of the times. Dont get sucked in to the psychdrama life is eternal and the beast cant kill us. We dont have to live as slaves to tyranny but we cant rise in violent revolt. We have to speak against evil, not participate in it, and if that leads to being mudered than so be it.

so when the criminal breaks the law, dont call the cops?

[gdemoss]

Satan was a murderer from the beginning. Gods Word is His commandment and it is eternal life there is no death in eternal life but God has allowed this time of temptation as mathematical proof of His Word which is One. God doesnt curse He blesses man makes His blessing a curse and Jesus demonstrated this on the cross and proved beyond reason of doubt that death only has power to those who dont believe in His commandment which is eternal life.

Knowing the Kingdom of God is within you should be a certain indicator that the kingdoms of man are apostasy. God is King. The earth is His footstool. No man can claim authority if their law is contrary to God. God is Author so His law is authority and exercising righteous judgement is as God. Jesus laughs death to death. "Death where is thy sting?" lol Righteous judgement leads to eternal life if you want to save man cast out demons and raise the dead like Yhowshuwa or else keep your peace and die like a martyr if God so intended. Wars and rumors of wars are signs of the times. Dont get sucked in to the psychdrama life is eternal and the beast cant kill us. We dont have to live as slaves to tyranny but we cant rise in violent revolt. We have to speak against evil, not participate in it, and if that leads to being mudered than so be it.

so when the criminal breaks the law, dont call the cops?

I have been experimenting with this lately. I have been unjustly wronged recently and did nothing in retaliation or seeking justice through the means of men. Instead I took it to the righteous judge of the universe in prayerful communication. He led me to pray for those who wronged me, that they would receive wisdom, knowledge, understanding and come to the knowledge of the truth in Christ. I prayed a blessing upon all involved and the peace of God filled my soul. For three days straight I have watched as one of the individuals involved has been having some severe difficulty as the heavy hand of God has been upon him. The other I am not sure of as I have not seen them.

God is judge and wants me to allow him to inflict justice as necessary in his time and his way. Hebrews chapter 6 speaks about the apostate who God will not allow to come to repentance. This one has seen the powers of the age to come. I am beginning to understand what that power is and it is not the power of man to apply justice for sure. Man is the unjust judge. God the righteous judge will avenge his own speedily as they cry out to him night and day though he bare long with them.

Gary

[The_Patriot21]

again, there is a difference between revenge, and protection. If someone attacks your wife, and you pull them off and knock them out, thats protecting your wife. If someone attacks your wife, and then leaves, and you hunt them down and beat the tar out of them, then thats revenge. There is a difference here. Same with "killing" someone. just because someone broke into your house while you were on vacation and stole your grandmas diamond ring she gave your wife doesnt mean you hunt the guy down and kill him, thats revenge-at that point its best to call the cops and let them handle it. But if your home, and someone breaks into your home screaming threats, there is a decided difference.

The same with war-if going to war protects the innocent, or your country, then its justified-if your just going to war to hurt others, then its not. Personally, I dont ever want to kill anyone for any reason. Am I willing to to protect my family and country? yes, if absolutly necessary, but I dont want to.

[gdemoss]

again, there is a difference between revenge, and protection. If someone attacks your wife, and you pull them off and knock them out, thats protecting your wife. If someone attacks your wife, and then leaves, and you hunt them down and beat the tar out of them, then thats revenge. There is a difference here. Same with "killing" someone. just because someone broke into your house while you were on vacation and stole your grandmas diamond ring she gave your wife doesnt mean you hunt the guy down and kill him, thats revenge-at that point its best to call the cops and let them handle it. But if your home, and someone breaks into your home screaming threats, there is a decided difference.

The same with war-if going to war protects the innocent, or your country, then its justified-if your just going to war to hurt others, then its not. Personally, I dont ever want to kill anyone for any reason. Am I willing to to protect my family and country? yes, if absolutly necessary, but I dont want to.

Can you show both of these elements in the New Testament as post resurrection standards of righteousness as seen in Christ who is our standard?

Gary

[jasoncran]

otherwise romans 13 wouldnt need to be written.im not for vigiliatianism