speaking in tounges

[Guest]

Speaking in Tongues is a special ability given through the holy spirit to some disciples in the early Christian congregation that enabled them to preach or otherwise glorify God in a language other than their own. But can the ability to ''speak in tongues'' come from a source other than the true god?1 John-4:¹Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Thess-2:⁹Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

¹⁰And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Even

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:1-3

The Book Sets

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 1 John 2:18-26

The Record Straight

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:11-13

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Believe

He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:31-36

And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe

[enoob57]

I'm not offended...it's not a personal issue...but of course I forgive you as needed if needed! My 'she said dryly' was intended as a little humor....

you may have noticed I have an appreciation for a good laugh or even a smile with the dimples barely showing

I do! I do! :101:I do I do I love a Light heart with no judgments present!!!!

No, actually not a thread online...yes, personal experience as in reading, looking at applicable scripture, discussion and then finally

prayer as in 'if this is real and for me, then please I want to have it'...that is all it took and really, a whole different world opened up

including a hunger for God I did not have before and a better understanding of scripture. I think I was about 18 or 19....some time

ago now LOL!

In the personal closet with God belongs His control and fellowship with His children 'NO ONE' has right to say

anything but the one with Him there! Love, Steven

[Sevenseas]

Um.....from October, eh? Well it's still true

[webb]

Tongues speaking is the easiest of all the miraculous spiritual gifts to counterfeit and one of the most difficult to teach against becaue of emotions.

God bless

[Botz]

1 Cor 14: 1Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries. 3But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation. 4One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church. 5Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.

Many people make elementary mistakes when talking about speaking in tongues...the very fact that Paul talks here a type of tongue used for 'self-edification' which entails speaking

mysteries from his spirit to G-d, immediately quells the argument that every tongue must be a language that people can understand or interpret.

Paul makes a distinction between the use of these tongues to aid ones personal faith and walk with G-d, and the use of tongues within the context of a congregation...where unless

they can be translated or interpreted to the rest of the gathering, they are unprofitable....and indeed if any Unbeliever visits they will think we are a bunch of nutters.

Careful reading of what exactly took place at Pentecost might reveal that the miracle was rather unique, and not so much in the words spoken, but in the words heard....I might be

wrong, but the way I see it is that a great hullaballoo was going on...a cacophony of sound if you like....and yet every person present heard 'them' speaking in his own language

when they knew for a fact they were Galileans and should be hearing the local slang/drawl associated with that region.

Acts 2:5Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together, and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language. 7They were amazed and astonished, saying, “Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8“And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born? 9“Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11Cretans and Arabs—we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.” 12And they all continued in amazement and great perplexity, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others were mocking and saying, “They are full of sweet wine.”

I do think many Christian groups have bought many of the spiritual gifts into disrepute, and perpetuated christianised traditions in their use with some very poor teaching on the subject,

so I am not surprised many people avoid the charismata like the plague...it shouldn't be like this, and large parts of the Body are poorer and less effective for it.

[webb]

"--whether there be tongues, they shall cease--" I Cor.13:8

[enoob57]

Um.....from October, eh? Well it's still true

it's true it's true memories like elephants

[Sevenseas]

Tongues speaking is the easiest of all the miraculous spiritual gifts to counterfeit and one of the most difficult to teach against becaue of emotions.

God bless

Right......emotions have nothing to do with experience.....

Frankly, I have seen far more fake healings than heard fake tongues....I've heard fake tongues...makes your hair stand on end....fake healings

are worth money tho, so I guess they just continue.......until that which is perfect is come....like tongues

Why would someone teach against scripture? Do you teach anti tongues or just anti fake tongues?

[Sevenseas]

I do think many Christian groups have bought many of the spiritual gifts into disrepute, and perpetuated christianised traditions in their use with some very poor teaching on the subject,

so I am not surprised many people avoid the charismata like the plague...it shouldn't be like this, and large parts of the Body are poorer and less effective for it.

I would agree

[Sevenseas]

Paul makes a distinction between the use of these tongues to aid ones personal faith and walk with G-d, and the use of tongues within the context of a congregation...where unless

they can be translated or interpreted to the rest of the gathering, they are unprofitable....and indeed if any Unbeliever visits they will think we are a bunch of nutters.

NO! Paul does not make a distinction between private vs. public tongues. He makes a distinction between what people can understand and what they can't understand. Paul does NOT instruct, or give approval for, anyone to use tongues for private benefit. The purpose of tongues isn't for private nor church use (which is the point of 1Cor14). The purpose is given in 1Cor14:21 and the purpose is illustrated in Acts 2.

or not understand etc etc.....sigh...

where's the revolving door...........