Should the Supreme Court strike down the healthcare law?

[ayin jade]

I have read it sam. Since Im in the medical field, I took the time to review it. Not just review what others said about it. I have experience with the va, with phs, with private insurance companies etc and I can see what the words mean and the future ramifications of it. There have already been negative consequences of this bill. For instance, after this was passed, standards were changed for mammograms. They are now recommended less frequently. This outraged the medical community. Yet bean counters in washington decided it would save money to do it this way. Despite the fact that breast cancer, if caught early, is 100% treatable. Since the standards got changed, the only way to get a mammogram sooner than the current mutliyear recommendation is to pay for it yourself. Under a one payer system that obamacare is heading towards, that will no longer be an option. Since Im at high risk for that type of cancer, I do not want to go under the less frequent mammogram schedule. By the time this one payer system is enacted (after bankrupting private insurances), I will be considered elderly and useless and not a candidate for expensive procedures that will save my life. And that is part of obamacare. I read that in the bill itself.

[other one]

I have read it sam. Since Im in the medical field, I took the time to review it. Not just review what others said about it. I have experience with the va, with phs, with private insurance companies etc and I can see what the words mean and the future ramifications of it. There have already been negative consequences of this bill. For instance, after this was passed, standards were changed for mammograms. They are now recommended less frequently. This outraged the medical community. Yet bean counters in washington decided it would save money to do it this way. Despite the fact that breast cancer, if caught early, is 100% treatable. Since the standards got changed, the only way to get a mammogram sooner than the current mutliyear recommendation is to pay for it yourself. Under a one payer system that obamacare is heading towards, that will no longer be an option. Since Im at high risk for that type of cancer, I do not want to go under the less frequent mammogram schedule. By the time this one payer system is enacted (after bankrupting private insurances), I will be considered elderly and useless and not a candidate for expensive procedures that will save my life. And that is part of obamacare. I read that in the bill itself.

Obama may want a single payer system, but he couldn't do that even with control on both sides..

What group did Obamacare create that didn't already exist that caused the change in Mammograms?

[ayin jade]

What group did Obamacare create that didn't already exist that caused the change in Mammograms?

It wasnt a group he created. It is the influence his administration has over government groups. They can nudge and force any federal agency to go along with their viewpoint. The mammogram thing sent shockwaves into the medical community because it was such a bad policy change. When the feds determine standards of when some test should be done, the insurance companies follow it. It is standard procedure for hmo's to go along with federal health care standards.

[other one]

What group did Obamacare create that didn't already exist that caused the change in Mammograms?

It wasnt a group he created. It is the influence his administration has over government groups. They can nudge and force any federal agency to go along with their viewpoint. The mammogram thing sent shockwaves into the medical community because it was such a bad policy change. When the feds determine standards of when some test should be done, the insurance companies follow it. It is standard procedure for hmo's to go along with federal health care standards.

Then what I hear you saying is that we need to get rid of Obama more than we need to get rid of Obamacare..... for he didn't get what he wanted in the bill and just like what he's doing with the immigration law in your state, he's trying to do it anyway......

So lets focus on getting rid of him this fall, and then deal with fixing the healthcare bill...... but going back to the way it was is no more acceptable than keeping the whole bill intact.

[ayin jade]

Then what I hear you saying is that we need to get rid of Obama more than we need to get rid of Obamacare..... for he didn't get what he wanted in the bill and just like what he's doing with the immigration law in your state, he's trying to do it anyway......

So lets focus on getting rid of him this fall, and then deal with fixing the healthcare bill...... but going back to the way it was is no more acceptable than keeping the whole bill intact.

I disagree a bit. Yes we need to vote him out of office, but I do not think the bill is salvagable. It needs to be junked.

[jasoncran]

Still waiting for someone to come up with a better plan.

Here it is:

1. Go to the US Archives and get the original copy of the US Constitution. Have a huge burning ceremony. This will just formalize what is already "de facto" anyway.

2. Make all health care providers government employees. Then, our taxes will pay their salaries.

3. Have the gov't takeover all hospitals and clinics.

4. Everyone who shows up to be treated will be treated. First come, first served.

Then, everyone can form a circle and sing the praises of Government Run Healthcare. Hail Obama!

Blessings!

-Ed

Honestly, not a bad idea.

As long as step number one is done first.

Blessings!

-Ed

better one form americans for the constutional republic and declare war on america and let the the blood run. their blood shall be the way for freedom to be once again.

[Guest]

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Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. Jeremiah 17:5

Choice

Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. Jeremiah 17:7

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Last year, bureaucrats at the VA's National Center for Ethics in Health Care advocated a 52-page end-of-life planning document, "Your Life, Your Choices." It was first published in 1997 and later promoted as the VA's preferred living will throughout its vast network of hospitals and nursing homes. After the Bush White House took a look at how this document was treating complex health and moral issues, the VA suspended its use. Unfortunately, under President Obama, the VA has now resuscitated "Your Life, Your Choices."

Who is the primary author of this workbook? Dr. Robert Pearlman, chief of ethics evaluation for the center, a man who in 1996 advocated for physician-assisted suicide in Vacco v. Quill before the U.S. Supreme Court and is known for his support of health-care rationing.

"Your Life, Your Choices" presents end-of-life choices in a way aimed at steering users toward predetermined conclusions, much like a political "push poll."...

I was not surprised to learn that the VA panel of experts that sought to update "Your Life, Your Choices" between 2007-2008 did not include any representatives of faith groups or disability rights advocates. And as you might guess, only one organization was listed in the new version as a resource on advance directives: the Hemlock Society (now euphemistically known as "Compassion and Choices").

Recall Compassion and Choices is the group pushing the infamous Section 123 of a House version of Obamacare, which mandates doctors initiate end-of-life conversations with older patients.

http://www.jillstane...eterans-af.html

[other one]

Then what I hear you saying is that we need to get rid of Obama more than we need to get rid of Obamacare..... for he didn't get what he wanted in the bill and just like what he's doing with the immigration law in your state, he's trying to do it anyway......

So lets focus on getting rid of him this fall, and then deal with fixing the healthcare bill...... but going back to the way it was is no more acceptable than keeping the whole bill intact.

I disagree a bit. Yes we need to vote him out of office, but I do not think the bill is salvagable. It needs to be junked.

If they would replace it with HR3200 I would agree...... but if they junk the whole thing, nothing will be changed and the system can't maintain itself. but the whole country seems to be headed off an abyss that none of us will make it through.

While we're busy taking on Obamacare, he's in the background making a new trade deal that will basically bypass our entire legal system for global corporations...

[other one]

While we're busy bothering over healthcare Obama is really messing freedom over...

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/6/14/breaking_08_pledge_leaked_trade_doc

[Matthitjah]

Yeah, I am serious. Obamacare is too expensive for this country to support. It has increased the bureaucracy in our government expotentially and we don't have the money for it. It is a major finacial drain that we cannot afford. If we keep spending, spending spending, we will go complete broke. We don't have enough doctors and we can't afford to give free health care. It is unconstitutional to force us to buy health care, to boot.

If you truly love America, you can't support a system that circumvents what makes this country the greatest in the world. Obamacare is unsustainable and it is unAmerican. It is the product of a socialist mentality, not a freedom loving mentality.

If you like it so much, go live in France or go join Burning Ember up in Canada. But keep your hands off of the Constitution.

Well interestingly the mandate to insurance before Obamacare was put on the books was backed by several Conservative think tanks (Heritage Foundation) and I remember several Republican politicians agreeing that it was a good idea. So i don't think you can really call it a product of socialist mentality.

Wrong, the mandate proposed by the Republicans had nothing whatsoever to do with the one Obamacare implemented. Remember I provided you with those facts a few months back. It's the same old tired argument though.