BE WARNED!

[goldust59]

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

A man at work shared with me that he recently dreamed about a city 90 miles away from us being nuked.

My son shared with me that he had a vision, while awake where everything zoned out while the vision played out, where he saw the moon turn to blood and a nuclear blast ensue afterword.

I have experienced none of these things. I just keep having the Word of God speak to me and tell me what is coming on the horizon.

Gary

Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy.

I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural.

Really? I have had both also. Within the past few months.

[firestormx]

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

A man at work shared with me that he recently dreamed about a city 90 miles away from us being nuked.

My son shared with me that he had a vision, while awake where everything zoned out while the vision played out, where he saw the moon turn to blood and a nuclear blast ensue afterword.

I have experienced none of these things. I just keep having the Word of God speak to me and tell me what is coming on the horizon.

Gary

Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy.

I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural.

Using 2 or 3 biblical referances show me what it is SPECIFICLY FORBIDDEN BY GOD for someone to be given both. I DON"T WANT TO HEAR OPINION, SHOW ME.

Just so you don't think I can't do what I asked you....EXPLAIN THIS if it's unbiblical!

Daniel 7:1

In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream.

Daniel 10:1

In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia, a revelation was given to Daniel (who was called Belteshazzar). Its message was true and it concerned a great war.^[a] The understanding of the message came to him in a vision.

Daniel had both too, so i guess Daniel was a liar also following false doctrine and speaking lies?

Edited June 21, 2012 by firestormx

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, all.

With all due respect to firestormx, we don't even have a good understanding of the prophecies that DO come from God and were written for us under divine inspiration in the Bible, for us to be taking the time to clutter our minds with things that "may or may not be coming from God."

Okay. So, firestormx, you've had a vision/dream of impending doom and narrow escape. That's all I can take from what you have said. The whole of the USA and even the world is on the brink of an economic shift in power. That, in turn, is causing a political shift in power in many different countries, and no one - it seems - is exempt. We are a young nation and shifts in power, influence, and economies happen all the time! They don't happen at a fast rate, and they are rather like earthquakes in that respect. The pressure builds slowly over time until the stress is greater than the static friction and ... BOOM ... the tectonic plates snap like a rubber band and we get an earthquake!

Same thing here: The pressure of the economy has been building for several years and it is neither the Democrats' fault nor the Republicans' fault. It is the fault of ALL of us in that greed is a basic human fault. When prices go up, it really means that the value of the dollar is going down. When that is like 3 cents on the dollar going from $1 to 97 cents, the percentage of what we have left, 97% is something most can live with. It's not that far off from 100%. But, when the value of the dollar is already only 9 cents in purchasing power, and we lose another 3 cents on the dollar, we've gone from 9% down to 6%! That's a decline of 50% of the result! There's a limit to how much we can lose and still be able to do things with the dollar! What if the dollar is only worth 4 cents? If we were to lose another 3 cents on the dollar, we would have lost 300% of the result!

HOWEVER, on a positive note, the recipe for a loaf of bread hasn't changed much. The grain that grows in the ground has not changed. The amount of work that is needed to harvest that grain has not changed that much, even if that labor is mostly automated. So, the true value of a loaf of bread has NOT CHANGED! If the currency finally becomes so worthless that it can't buy a loaf of bread, bartering is still possible. There are bartering co-ops springing up across the country!

And, the only true growth of a country is to be found in farming. When one seed produces HUNDREDS of seeds, and one farm animal produces several young, that's a blessing from God! Everything else is merely a conversion of one thing into another. Sometimes, one might think of intellectual properties as being a form of true growth, as well, IF it can ultimately aid in the true growth of farming, but without such positive results, they too are wastes of time and energy.

SO,....

Let's focus on understanding Bible prophecy better. If something is confusing, that simply means that we are not in sync with the author's communication. One must dig deeper if he or she expects to understand a prophecy at a deeper level, and ideally, that will be to understand the original languages better.

[OneLight]

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

A man at work shared with me that he recently dreamed about a city 90 miles away from us being nuked.

My son shared with me that he had a vision, while awake where everything zoned out while the vision played out, where he saw the moon turn to blood and a nuclear blast ensue afterword.

I have experienced none of these things. I just keep having the Word of God speak to me and tell me what is coming on the horizon.

Gary

Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy.

I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural.

Using 2 or 3 biblical referances show me what it is SPECIFICLY FORBIDDEN BY GOD for someone to be given both. I DON"T WANT TO HEAR OPINION, SHOW ME.

Tame your tongue, my friend. Find peace in Him and stop being so demanding. I was giving you an explanation why people may not take to you having both dreams and visions at the same time. You were the one who mentioned being attacked, not me.

Colossians 4:6

Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.

[OneLight]

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

A man at work shared with me that he recently dreamed about a city 90 miles away from us being nuked.

My son shared with me that he had a vision, while awake where everything zoned out while the vision played out, where he saw the moon turn to blood and a nuclear blast ensue afterword.

I have experienced none of these things. I just keep having the Word of God speak to me and tell me what is coming on the horizon.

Gary

Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy.

I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural.

"It is not scritural" WOW! you need to read your bible! This shows in a sad way how people are lacking in their relatioship with God. If God is confirming this same thing through so many how is it that you aren't seeing it? Just because it has not been revealed to you does not mean it can't happen. Remember it is important to not limit God to a book. We use the book to confirm what people say but he has plenty of verses to back him up. Just because your afraid of the subject doesn't mean you should try and make everyone afraid to stand up as well.

Are you defending scripture or people here? It is hard to tell, since you start with one and end with the other.

The scripture I place in bold tells us what I said, the young mend will have visions and the old men will dream dreams. SInce scripture does not contridict itself, show me where it is otherwise stated that what I read is false.

[firestormx]

Shalom, all.

With all due respect to firestormx, we don't even have a good understanding of the prophecies that DO come from God and were written for us under divine inspiration in the Bible, for us to be taking the time to clutter our minds with things that "may or may not be coming from God."

Okay. So, firestormx, you've had a vision/dream of impending doom and narrow escape. That's all I can take from what you have said. The whole of the USA and even the world is on the brink of an economic shift in power. That, in turn, is causing a political shift in power in many different countries, and no one - it seems - is exempt. We are a young nation and shifts in power, influence, and economies happen all the time! They don't happen at a fast rate, and they are rather like earthquakes in that respect. The pressure builds slowly over time until the stress is greater than the static friction and ... BOOM ... the tectonic plates snap like a rubber band and we get an earthquake!

Same thing here: The pressure of the economy has been building for several years and it is neither the Democrats' fault nor the Republicans' fault. It is the fault of ALL of us in that greed is a basic human fault. When prices go up, it really means that the value of the dollar is going down. When that is like 3 cents on the dollar going from $1 to 97 cents, the percentage of what we have left, 97% is something most can live with. It's not that far off from 100%. But, when the value of the dollar is already only 9 cents in purchasing power, and we lose another 3 cents on the dollar, we've gone from 9% down to 6%! That's a decline of 50% of the result! There's a limit to how much we can lose and still be able to do things with the dollar! What if the dollar is only worth 4 cents? If we were to lose another 3 cents on the dollar, we would have lost 300% of the result!

HOWEVER, on a positive note, the recipe for a loaf of bread hasn't changed much. The grain that grows in the ground has not changed. The amount of work that is needed to harvest that grain has not changed that much, even if that labor is mostly automated. So, the true value of a loaf of bread has NOT CHANGED! If the currency finally becomes so worthless that it can't buy a loaf of bread, bartering is still possible. There are bartering co-ops springing up across the country!

And, the only true growth of a country is to be found in farming. When one seed produces HUNDREDS of seeds, and one farm animal produces several young, that's a blessing from God! Everything else is merely a conversion of one thing into another. Sometimes, one might think of intellectual properties as being a form of true growth, as well, IF it can ultimately aid in the true growth of farming, but without such positive results, they too are wastes of time and energy.

SO,....

Let's focus on understanding Bible prophecy better. If something is confusing, that simply means that we are not in sync with the author's communication. One must dig deeper if he or she expects to understand a prophecy at a deeper level, and ideally, that will be to understand the original languages better.

I enjoyed reading your response, but I think you missed a important point. We fight not agaisnt flesh and blood but princapalities and powers. Our fight is in the spirit, not the flesh. Everything that manifests in the flesh has a spiritual orgin. The simple explanation of what I was shown was that spiritual things are at that boiling point. which means something big will soon manifest in the flesh. But the message come with encouragment that all who truely follow GOD will be shown the way to survive. Before the Lord lets anything happen he always warns his people so they are ready. there is a spiritual source for everything you said, and thats what we all should look at, by seek Yeshua and The Father. May the Most High Bless You

[goldust59]

Shalom, all.

With all due respect to firestormx, we don't even have a good understanding of the prophecies that DO come from God and were written for us under divine inspiration in the Bible, for us to be taking the time to clutter our minds with things that "may or may not be coming from God."

Okay. So, firestormx, you've had a vision/dream of impending doom and narrow escape. That's all I can take from what you have said. The whole of the USA and even the world is on the brink of an economic shift in power. That, in turn, is causing a political shift in power in many different countries, and no one - it seems - is exempt. We are a young nation and shifts in power, influence, and economies happen all the time! They don't happen at a fast rate, and they are rather like earthquakes in that respect. The pressure builds slowly over time until the stress is greater than the static friction and ... BOOM ... the tectonic plates snap like a rubber band and we get an earthquake!

Same thing here: The pressure of the economy has been building for several years and it is neither the Democrats' fault nor the Republicans' fault. It is the fault of ALL of us in that greed is a basic human fault. When prices go up, it really means that the value of the dollar is going down. When that is like 3 cents on the dollar going from $1 to 97 cents, the percentage of what we have left, 97% is something most can live with. It's not that far off from 100%. But, when the value of the dollar is already only 9 cents in purchasing power, and we lose another 3 cents on the dollar, we've gone from 9% down to 6%! That's a decline of 50% of the result! There's a limit to how much we can lose and still be able to do things with the dollar! What if the dollar is only worth 4 cents? If we were to lose another 3 cents on the dollar, we would have lost 300% of the result!

HOWEVER, on a positive note, the recipe for a loaf of bread hasn't changed much. The grain that grows in the ground has not changed. The amount of work that is needed to harvest that grain has not changed that much, even if that labor is mostly automated. So, the true value of a loaf of bread has NOT CHANGED! If the currency finally becomes so worthless that it can't buy a loaf of bread, bartering is still possible. There are bartering co-ops springing up across the country!

And, the only true growth of a country is to be found in farming. When one seed produces HUNDREDS of seeds, and one farm animal produces several young, that's a blessing from God! Everything else is merely a conversion of one thing into another. Sometimes, one might think of intellectual properties as being a form of true growth, as well, IF it can ultimately aid in the true growth of farming, but without such positive results, they too are wastes of time and energy.

SO,....

Let's focus on understanding Bible prophecy better. If something is confusing, that simply means that we are not in sync with the author's communication. One must dig deeper if he or she expects to understand a prophecy at a deeper level, and ideally, that will be to understand the original languages better.

*edited out reply* .....Deb

[firestormx]

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

A man at work shared with me that he recently dreamed about a city 90 miles away from us being nuked.

My son shared with me that he had a vision, while awake where everything zoned out while the vision played out, where he saw the moon turn to blood and a nuclear blast ensue afterword.

I have experienced none of these things. I just keep having the Word of God speak to me and tell me what is coming on the horizon.

Gary

Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy.

I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural.

Using 2 or 3 biblical referances show me what it is SPECIFICLY FORBIDDEN BY GOD for someone to be given both. I DON"T WANT TO HEAR OPINION, SHOW ME.

Tame your tongue, my friend. Find peace in Him and stop being so demanding. I was giving you an explanation why people may not take to you having both dreams and visions at the same time. You were the one who mentioned being attacked, not me.

Colossians 4:6

Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.

You said YOUR WORDS, it's unscriptual.

if something is unscriptual, then it's unholy and evil, so how do you expect me to respond. it is holy or unholy, authored by GOD or Satan. one or the other. I provided my biblical referance that 1 person can have both. Patientely waiting your response. May GOD Bless

[gdemoss]

Satan is delighted when we are divided. Lets all take OneLights advice to seek to be with each other as we ought. It isn't always easy and God knew well in advance that there would be difficulty for us communicating things one to another at times as he has given us commandment to be forgiving of one another, pitiful and courteous. We wrestle not with flesh and blood but with principality and powers.

OneLight, I would encourage you to see that the scripture you quoted does not say 'only' young men or 'only' old men. You are absolutely correct in saying that it does say what it says.

Peace in Christ

Gary

[OneLight]

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

A man at work shared with me that he recently dreamed about a city 90 miles away from us being nuked.

My son shared with me that he had a vision, while awake where everything zoned out while the vision played out, where he saw the moon turn to blood and a nuclear blast ensue afterword.

I have experienced none of these things. I just keep having the Word of God speak to me and tell me what is coming on the horizon.

Gary

Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy.

I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural.

Using 2 or 3 biblical referances show me what it is SPECIFICLY FORBIDDEN BY GOD for someone to be given both. I DON"T WANT TO HEAR OPINION, SHOW ME.

Tame your tongue, my friend. Find peace in Him and stop being so demanding. I was giving you an explanation why people may not take to you having both dreams and visions at the same time. You were the one who mentioned being attacked, not me.

Colossians 4:6

Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.

You said YOUR WORDS, it's unscriptual.

if something is unscriptual, then it's unholy and evil, so how do you expect me to respond. it is holy or unholy, authored by GOD or Satan. one or the other. I provided my biblical referance that 1 person can have both. Patientely waiting your response. May GOD Bless

I never said "YOUR WORDS" or even "your words". What I said is that the verse does not indicate that we can have both. Can you show me in scripture where God gave someone dreams and visions at the same time, being the dame age?