BE WARNED!

[firestormx]

Daniel lived before Christ, before we all have the Holy Spirit ... in other words, God dealt with people differently in the OT then He does today. Besides, firestormx is not Daniel.

Never said i was daniel, but it proves GOD CAN work through and deliever both dreams and visions to anyone he deciedes to. Also as someone else pointed out, the verse you quoted is ot as well. the book of joel.

God dealt with Daniel in a way He does not deal with people today. We no longer have the Prophets like those in the OT running around, but the gift of prophecy as stated in 1 Corinthians 12. Tell me, what does the verses in Acts 2:17-21 or Joel 2:28-32 mean to you when it says the the young men will have visions and the old men will dream dreams?

As soon as you answer my question and provide Biblical proof that is FORBIDDEN by GOD to give both dreams and visions. That it is impossible and never to happen. As soon as you show me I will answer this question.

And by the way, what about the verse, all things are possible to those that believe. If I believe GOD is able to work through me and show me whatever he wants, however he wants. If thats where my Faith is, and GOD meets it. who are you to say otherwise?

Forbidden? Never said it was forbidden, just that scripture tells us it would be like this. Care to explain why scripture would tell us that the young men will have visions and the old men will dream dreams, yet you claim to be able to do both? Are you both young and old? Does scripture not mean what it says?

By the way, do you always scream?

It's unscriptual

the statement above is what you said. If something is unscriptual then it's lies and the doctrine of the devil. so if your gonna acuess me of that, spreading lies, (which is how your words were recieved, not in love but in accussation) you better be able to back it up. thats why I have responded the way I have, because of what you have by implecation accused me of.

I've shown in scripture, that it is possible. the fact it was an Old testament person is unimportant. Most of the end time prophcies are old testament, but there still valid. the old testament has the new testament in it hidden, paul said that. everything in the new testament is in the old. everything! To say the old testament is no longer bearing, is out of date. or don't apply to us at all, is just wrong. if some applys then all of it does, but must be seen through the crucifiction and resserection of Christ. rightly dividing the word of truth. You can't make a doctrine from one verse. I've repeatedly asked for scriptual proof that GOD can't and won't do it now. when you do provide this, or conceed your wrong and it's not there I will then answer your questions. Until then I respectful will not answer you

Yes, claiming to have both dreams and visions in the NT age, or church age, goes against scripture. You added the rest yourself.

Yet, like whall1971, you also are refusing to give us your understanding of what the scripture about vision and dreams mean. Why is that? What does the scripture in Acts 2 and Joel 2 mean?

Edited to add that I never said the OT is unimportant, no longer having bearing,out of date, or that it does not apply. You are assigning meanings to my words that are not there. Please use my own words and do not assign anything to them. That is a form of lying.

i told you, answer my question and I'll happily answer yours. I've been asking for an answer longer. Where dose it say GOD can't and won't. that it is beyond the abillity for GOD to do now. Show me. then daniel is an example that applys

Edited June 21, 2012 by firestormx

[nebula]

Guess I need to ask again:

Something horrific is coming this year

firestormz -

Why do you proclaim it to be this year?

I've been in the Lord for over 35 years, and throughout this time have heard many date-setters and time-frame propheciers, yet none have come to pass. I'm not mocking, just wondering why I should believe someone's actually got it right this time?

I also know that if God said anything like "soon", just remember that Jesus said He was coming back soon 2000 years ago!

Because that's what I was told in a vision. not the christ was coming back this year. simply that what I had been shown over and over, something horrific would take place this year.

Not trying to be contentious, but you aren't the first to proclaim something like this on the Board. So, I am very reluctant to blindly accept this.

"Let everything be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses." Were you given any "witnesses" to this revelation?

[goldust59]

You know, I wonder what our Father thinks about all this bickering?

firestorm, I really appreciate that you came forth with what you saw. I have been in a lot of study on the 'red dragon' lately & I will be seeking answers about the message you brought.

I heard a teaching long ago about "the treasures of the snow" God speaks of in Job. I will also ask God about the significance of the snow in your dream.

Blessings in Him, Deb

I never thought of what the snow could represent, or that it was important. I look forward to discussing this with you further

I will try to pm you tomorrow.

[firestormx]

Guess I need to ask again:

Something horrific is coming this year

firestormz -

Why do you proclaim it to be this year?

I've been in the Lord for over 35 years, and throughout this time have heard many date-setters and time-frame propheciers, yet none have come to pass. I'm not mocking, just wondering why I should believe someone's actually got it right this time?

I also know that if God said anything like "soon", just remember that Jesus said He was coming back soon 2000 years ago!

Because that's what I was told in a vision. not the christ was coming back this year. simply that what I had been shown over and over, something horrific would take place this year.

Not trying to be contentious, but you aren't the first to proclaim something like this on the Board. So, I am very reluctant to blindly accept this.

"Let everything be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses." Were you given any "witnesses" to this revelation?

You should be hestiant to accept it, and I've never asked anyone to blindly accept what I've said. thats not proper. just requested that each person take this to GOD for yourself. Also yes there are others who have been shown the same, but it's not my place to speak for them.

[OneLight]

Daniel lived before Christ, before we all have the Holy Spirit ... in other words, God dealt with people differently in the OT then He does today. Besides, firestormx is not Daniel.

Never said i was daniel, but it proves GOD CAN work through and deliever both dreams and visions to anyone he deciedes to. Also as someone else pointed out, the verse you quoted is ot as well. the book of joel.

God dealt with Daniel in a way He does not deal with people today. We no longer have the Prophets like those in the OT running around, but the gift of prophecy as stated in 1 Corinthians 12. Tell me, what does the verses in Acts 2:17-21 or Joel 2:28-32 mean to you when it says the the young men will have visions and the old men will dream dreams?

As soon as you answer my question and provide Biblical proof that is FORBIDDEN by GOD to give both dreams and visions. That it is impossible and never to happen. As soon as you show me I will answer this question.

And by the way, what about the verse, all things are possible to those that believe. If I believe GOD is able to work through me and show me whatever he wants, however he wants. If thats where my Faith is, and GOD meets it. who are you to say otherwise?

Forbidden? Never said it was forbidden, just that scripture tells us it would be like this. Care to explain why scripture would tell us that the young men will have visions and the old men will dream dreams, yet you claim to be able to do both? Are you both young and old? Does scripture not mean what it says?

By the way, do you always scream?

It's unscriptual

the statement above is what you said. If something is unscriptual then it's lies and the doctrine of the devil. so if your gonna acuess me of that, spreading lies, (which is how your words were recieved, not in love but in accussation) you better be able to back it up. thats why I have responded the way I have, because of what you have by implecation accused me of.

I've shown in scripture, that it is possible. the fact it was an Old testament person is unimportant. Most of the end time prophcies are old testament, but there still valid. the old testament has the new testament in it hidden, paul said that. everything in the new testament is in the old. everything! To say the old testament is no longer bearing, is out of date. or don't apply to us at all, is just wrong. if some applys then all of it does, but must be seen through the crucifiction and resserection of Christ. rightly dividing the word of truth. You can't make a doctrine from one verse. I've repeatedly asked for scriptual proof that GOD can't and won't do it now. when you do provide this, or conceed your wrong and it's not there I will then answer your questions. Until then I respectful will not answer you

Yes, claiming to have both dreams and visions in the NT age, or church age, goes against scripture. You added the rest yourself.

Yet, like whall1971, you also are refusing to give us your understanding of what the scripture about vision and dreams mean. Why is that? What does the scripture in Acts 2 and Joel 2 mean?

Edited to add that I never said the OT is unimportant, no longer having bearing,out of date, or that it does not apply. You are assigning meanings to my words that are not there. Please use my own words and do not assign anything to them. That is a form of lying.

i told you, answer my question and I'll happily answer yours. I've been asking for an answer longer. Where dose it say GOD can't and won't. that it is beyond the abillity for GOD to do now. Show me. then daniel is an example that applys

I am afraid you tell nobody nothing. This is a forum where people converse, not order people around.

If you have carefully read what I have posted, I did answer your question

[OneLight]

Ease up on the sarcasm. We don't limit God at all, we rightly divide scripture and not take everything that is sead to mean each and every one of us. To say Daniel did it so I can also is wrong.

Enlighten us with your explanation of what the scripture meant then. It is written in both Acts and Joel, choose either ...

Acts 2:17-21

New King James Version (NKJV)

¹⁷ ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,

That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;

Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

Your young men shall see visions,

Your old men shall dream dreams.

¹⁸ And on My menservants and on My maidservants

I will pour out My Spirit in those days;

And they shall prophesy.

¹⁹ I will show wonders in heaven above

And signs in the earth beneath:

Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.

²⁰ The sun shall be turned into darkness,

And the moon into blood,

Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

²¹ And it shall come to pass

That whoever calls on the name of the Lord

Shall be saved.’

Joel 2:28-32

New King James Version (NKJV)

God’s Spirit Poured Out

²⁸ “And it shall come to pass afterward

That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;

Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

Your old men shall dream dreams,

Your young men shall see visions.

²⁹ And also on My menservants and on My maidservants

I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

³⁰ “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:

Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.

³¹ The sun shall be turned into darkness,

And the moon into blood,

Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

³² And it shall come to pass

That whoever calls on the name of the Lord

Shall be saved.

For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance,

As the Lord has said,

Among the remnant whom the Lord calls.

It wasn't sarcasm it was shock! And that was my heart felt reaction. I will be praying for you! So much to say but I will leave you in the hand of Christ. Gods love to you.

I see ... make a cutting statement and then bow out when asked to back it up.

Why should I quote firestormx when you can read what he is writing. He's right, your not. Seems simple to me. Funny I'm not hearing a lot of Grace from you right now...

The fact is there is no place in the Bible that say you Can't have both dreams and visions. God is God and he can give anyone anything.

It tells us what will happen, not what will not happen. That is a fact.

Well then, the Bible never says there is a gift of walking on water but Jesus did.

I notice you are refusing to answer my questions, instead, you are trying to discount my posts. Why don't you enlighten us with your understanding of what scripture says instead of what it does not say?

So it is just about your verses? I can't use the rest of the Bible? Where in those verse do it say it can't happen? I don't see the word only in there anywhere.

You can't twist it, my friend. I made a comment about one particular verse, you made a counter comment, and I replied by asking you to give your understanding about the verse due to your counter comment. It really is simple as it sounds.

I wish the new code would allow the ability to keep this all in context, but there were too many quotes.

[gdemoss]

Guess I need to ask again:

Something horrific is coming this year

firestormz -

Why do you proclaim it to be this year?

I've been in the Lord for over 35 years, and throughout this time have heard many date-setters and time-frame propheciers, yet none have come to pass. I'm not mocking, just wondering why I should believe someone's actually got it right this time?

I also know that if God said anything like "soon", just remember that Jesus said He was coming back soon 2000 years ago!

This is exactly what I expect to hear Nebula. Your exactly right. You have no reason to believe anything but every reason to be skeptical of it all. Even our Lord said that many would come and deceive many. He warned of all the false prophets. My hope is that I am not ignorantly one of them as I have become one of the date setters along with the rest of them except it be that we won't know for sure until April of next year.

1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

We are supposed to know.

Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Jesus' question begs an answer.

I contend that God will show the truth to anyone who is both a hearer and a doer of his word. This is my experience. I read. I obeyed. I received more. Just as the scriptures promise. And I don't think that I have even begun to understand the half of it.

In Jesus Name,

Gary

[OneLight]

Daniel lived before Christ, before we all have the Holy Spirit ... in other words, God dealt with people differently in the OT then He does today. Besides, firestormx is not Daniel.

Are you kidding me right now? Please tell me your joking? Are you really going to tell me that... WOW! ok, Christ came to fullfill the law not to do away with it. Everything you find in the NT you can find in the OT. If God can use Daniel in that way he can use anyone that way provided they seek him enough. Why do so many people limit God to only what they can understand???

Ease up on the sarcasm. We don't limit God at all, we rightly divide scripture and not take everything that is sead to mean each and every one of us. To say Daniel did it so I can also is wrong.

Enlighten us with your explanation of what the scripture meant then. It is written in both Acts and Joel, choose either ...

Acts 2:17-21

New King James Version (NKJV)

¹⁷ ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,

That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;

Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

Your young men shall see visions,

Your old men shall dream dreams.

¹⁸ And on My menservants and on My maidservants

I will pour out My Spirit in those days;

And they shall prophesy.

¹⁹ I will show wonders in heaven above

And signs in the earth beneath:

Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.

²⁰ The sun shall be turned into darkness,

And the moon into blood,

Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

²¹ And it shall come to pass

That whoever calls on the name of the Lord

Shall be saved.’

Joel 2:28-32

New King James Version (NKJV)

God’s Spirit Poured Out

²⁸ “And it shall come to pass afterward

That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;

Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

Your old men shall dream dreams,

Your young men shall see visions.

²⁹ And also on My menservants and on My maidservants

I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

³⁰ “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:

Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.

³¹ The sun shall be turned into darkness,

And the moon into blood,

Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

³² And it shall come to pass

That whoever calls on the name of the Lord

Shall be saved.

For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance,

As the Lord has said,

Among the remnant whom the Lord calls.

It wasn't sarcasm it was shock! And that was my heart felt reaction. I will be praying for you! So much to say but I will leave you in the hand of Christ. Gods love to you.

One more thing... who is "we"?

You tell me ... you said "Why do so many people limit God to only what they can understand???" I guess you should answer who are the "so many people" in order to find out who the we may be?

[firestormx]

Daniel lived before Christ, before we all have the Holy Spirit ... in other words, God dealt with people differently in the OT then He does today. Besides, firestormx is not Daniel.

Never said i was daniel, but it proves GOD CAN work through and deliever both dreams and visions to anyone he deciedes to. Also as someone else pointed out, the verse you quoted is ot as well. the book of joel.

God dealt with Daniel in a way He does not deal with people today. We no longer have the Prophets like those in the OT running around, but the gift of prophecy as stated in 1 Corinthians 12. Tell me, what does the verses in Acts 2:17-21 or Joel 2:28-32 mean to you when it says the the young men will have visions and the old men will dream dreams?

As soon as you answer my question and provide Biblical proof that is FORBIDDEN by GOD to give both dreams and visions. That it is impossible and never to happen. As soon as you show me I will answer this question.

And by the way, what about the verse, all things are possible to those that believe. If I believe GOD is able to work through me and show me whatever he wants, however he wants. If thats where my Faith is, and GOD meets it. who are you to say otherwise?

Forbidden? Never said it was forbidden, just that scripture tells us it would be like this. Care to explain why scripture would tell us that the young men will have visions and the old men will dream dreams, yet you claim to be able to do both? Are you both young and old? Does scripture not mean what it says?

By the way, do you always scream?

It's unscriptual

the statement above is what you said. If something is unscriptual then it's lies and the doctrine of the devil. so if your gonna acuess me of that, spreading lies, (which is how your words were recieved, not in love but in accussation) you better be able to back it up. thats why I have responded the way I have, because of what you have by implecation accused me of.

I've shown in scripture, that it is possible. the fact it was an Old testament person is unimportant. Most of the end time prophcies are old testament, but there still valid. the old testament has the new testament in it hidden, paul said that. everything in the new testament is in the old. everything! To say the old testament is no longer bearing, is out of date. or don't apply to us at all, is just wrong. if some applys then all of it does, but must be seen through the crucifiction and resserection of Christ. rightly dividing the word of truth. You can't make a doctrine from one verse. I've repeatedly asked for scriptual proof that GOD can't and won't do it now. when you do provide this, or conceed your wrong and it's not there I will then answer your questions. Until then I respectful will not answer you

Yes, claiming to have both dreams and visions in the NT age, or church age, goes against scripture. You added the rest yourself.

Yet, like whall1971, you also are refusing to give us your understanding of what the scripture about vision and dreams mean. Why is that? What does the scripture in Acts 2 and Joel 2 mean?

Edited to add that I never said the OT is unimportant, no longer having bearing,out of date, or that it does not apply. You are assigning meanings to my words that are not there. Please use my own words and do not assign anything to them. That is a form of lying.

i told you, answer my question and I'll happily answer yours. I've been asking for an answer longer. Where dose it say GOD can't and won't. that it is beyond the abillity for GOD to do now. Show me. then daniel is an example that applys

I am afraid you tell nobody nothing. This is a forum where people converse, not order people around.

If you have carefully read what I have posted, I did answer your question

You know I'm sick of this conversation, so After praying I will answer your question. You asked me about the verses in joel and in acts.

The verse you have been speaking of the most is

Joel 2:28

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

No scripture is a doctrine all it's own, but must be look at in the light of the context upon which it was spoken and the rest of scripture.

Paul was a new testament servant of christ who had visions. before his conversion he was a pharissess. They had to be full of age, or 40 to be that. In that time it was not young but old. it was years later that paul recieved the last of the visions of christ he recieved. he was physically old. John , the one who recieved the book of revelation was older by that days standard and ours. the verse states old men shall dream dreams, but both of them had visions. How can this be? There can only be one explaination for this. the verse in acts and joel isn't speaking of just a physical age but a spiritual and physical age. an example would be, someone who was older but a babe in christ (young) or someone who was young in earthly age but mature (old) in the lord. there by one person can be both. Paul was scriptually and without refute older when he had his visions. I see no other possible doctrinal answer. if an older person in physical age can have visions, then GOD can give anyone a dream or vision he chooses to. You have built your entire arguement on this one verse. that is unscriptual. Now I've answered your question. Please answer mine, can you give me another verse?

[OneLight]

Daniel lived before Christ, before we all have the Holy Spirit ... in other words, God dealt with people differently in the OT then He does today. Besides, firestormx is not Daniel.

Are you kidding me right now? Please tell me your joking? Are you really going to tell me that... WOW! ok, Christ came to fullfill the law not to do away with it. Everything you find in the NT you can find in the OT. If God can use Daniel in that way he can use anyone that way provided they seek him enough. Why do so many people limit God to only what they can understand???

Ease up on the sarcasm. We don't limit God at all, we rightly divide scripture and not take everything that is sead to mean each and every one of us. To say Daniel did it so I can also is wrong.

Enlighten us with your explanation of what the scripture meant then. It is written in both Acts and Joel, choose either ...

Acts 2:17-21

New King James Version (NKJV)

¹⁷ ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,

That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;

Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

Your young men shall see visions,

Your old men shall dream dreams.

¹⁸ And on My menservants and on My maidservants

I will pour out My Spirit in those days;

And they shall prophesy.

¹⁹ I will show wonders in heaven above

And signs in the earth beneath:

Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.

²⁰ The sun shall be turned into darkness,

And the moon into blood,

Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

²¹ And it shall come to pass

That whoever calls on the name of the Lord

Shall be saved.’

Joel 2:28-32

New King James Version (NKJV)

God’s Spirit Poured Out

²⁸ “And it shall come to pass afterward

That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;

Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

Your old men shall dream dreams,

Your young men shall see visions.

²⁹ And also on My menservants and on My maidservants

I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

³⁰ “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:

Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.

³¹ The sun shall be turned into darkness,

And the moon into blood,

Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

³² And it shall come to pass

That whoever calls on the name of the Lord

Shall be saved.

For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance,

As the Lord has said,

Among the remnant whom the Lord calls.

It wasn't sarcasm it was shock! And that was my heart felt reaction. I will be praying for you! So much to say but I will leave you in the hand of Christ. Gods love to you.

I see ... make a cutting statement and then bow out when asked to back it up.

Why should I quote firestormx when you can read what he is writing. He's right, your not. Seems simple to me. Funny I'm not hearing a lot of Grace from you right now...

Whether or not he is right is your opinion. I have been very patient trying to get you to answer what your understanding of the scripture I quoted is, since my reply "shocked" you so much.

If you are not going to answer, just say so and it will be done with. I am used to have people using the hit and run tactic here, so it won't be a shock to me.