Why is Magog targeting America lately?

[Bold Believer]

Because that is the name John gives to it in Revelation 20. He likens Satan's army to Magog.

And here lies the point of contention - not everyone agrees with this interpretation of things.

Think I'll leave now before things get even messier around here!

What's to be interpreted? It's right there in the text Neb.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.

When you look at the Ezekiel text, it's easy to see how Satan is the Rosh (chief or head) of Magog. Ezekiel called him Gog. John is simply making a comparison between what happens at the end of the 1000 years and the Scythian invasion of Israel, regarding swiftness and intensity.

[Guest]

4. Bombastic? This coming from a pre-millennialist? Please. Pre-mils change their theology every time someone in the Middle East farts. Who's the 'antichrist' this week? What's the Mark of the Beast this week? Pre-mils have being bombastic down to an art.

What Cobalt said.

Yes, bombastic and roundly lacking in the fruits of the Spirit. Its always someone else's fault.

Keep in mind that when you start pointing the finger at others three fingers are pointed back at yourself.

Bombastic means sensational. Pre-millennialism is well known for its sensationalism. As I said before...how many times do pre-mils change their theology to suit the news headlines? "This is the pre-cursor to Armageddon." Then whatever 'this' is doesn't happen, so the next big case of a ME dictator with indigestion comes along and they change again. It's laughable.

And I wasn't pointing my finger at anyone until the crap-slinging started. I was making a point. I'm lacking in the fruit of the spirit because I don't agree with your eschatology? Spare me.

I never mentioned eschatology in any way shape or form. I just pointed out the "tone" your posts appear to carry here and in other threads.

[nebula]

Because that is the name John gives to it in Revelation 20. He likens Satan's army to Magog.

And here lies the point of contention - not everyone agrees with this interpretation of things.

Think I'll leave now before things get even messier around here!

What's to be interpreted? It's right there in the text Neb.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.

When you look at the Ezekiel text, it's easy to see how Satan is the Rosh (chief or head) of Magog. Ezekiel called him Gog. John is simply making a comparison between what happens at the end of the 1000 years and the Scythian invasion of Israel, regarding swiftness and intensity.

Many people interpret Magog to be a place - an ancient name for a city, not the name of an army or demonic hoard or whatever.

[jasoncran]

well i dont agree with america being the last christian nation.

lets dig into our sad history, as recently reminded of by a christian consertive named mr,alan keyes who does believe that are founded in christ.

was it christ like for us to force the cherokees from their land and to force indians to convert?

was it christ like to ignore the jewish plight?

was it christ like to sterliize "the weak"?

indeed we have been founded on christ but like any nation we can be removed by god and god goes another. china is likely next, just look at our church. in the south, and i know of the stories as i met men and women who were hated for being black in white christian churches or forced to work in menial position at those churches. that isnt that long ago. what is the excuse for that given that the bible is clear?

[MorningGlory]

well i dont agree with america being the last christian nation.

lets dig into our sad history, as recently reminded of by a christian consertive named mr,alan keyes who does believe that are founded in christ.

was it christ like for us to force the cherokees from their land and to force indians to convert?

was it christ like to ignore the jewish plight?

was it christ like to sterliize "the weak"?

indeed we have been founded on christ but like any nation we can be removed by god and god goes another. china is likely next, just look at our church. in the south, and i know of the stories as i met men and women who were hated for being black in white christian churches or forced to work in menial position at those churches. that isnt that long ago. what is the excuse for that given that the bible is clear?

The things you listed are true, Jason, but.....I believe we have tried hard to right the wrongs of our ancestors. Think....we have a black President. Americans, as a whole, have come a long way from the days of indian killing, slavery and turning a blind eye to the plight of the Jews. No nation is righteous in the eyes of God....not even Israel.

[georgedrw81]

Countries are restricted by human made boundaries which can expand, comtract or disappear. God's nation is everywhere it has no bounderies.

Blessings

[MorningGlory]

Keep in mind that when you start pointing the finger at others three fingers are pointed back at yourself.

Walla, I like that statement. Is it yours or a quote?

[jasoncran]

that is my point, its grace and god grace that got us this far. it was never the nation that god did that for but the churches that did resist that sin.

the church righted the wrong of slavery, we spoke up agianst the indian treatments. now i fear beacause the church is too weak and ladociean we must fall so that this revival many have prayed for must come.

[Guest]

Keep in mind that when you start pointing the finger at others three fingers are pointed back at yourself.

Walla, I like that statement. Is it yours or a quote?

It's not mine, and I believe I heard it in a sermon in a tiny but very Spirit filled church in Arkansas years ago. It was one of those times that someone says something that makes so much sense it sticks with you. The preacher said something else too.

That when we see something wrong in someone else's life -- its time to take a look at your own life to see if you are doing it too . . .

Yes, the Spirit was stepping on lots of toes that night. I really miss services like that.

[Bold Believer]

Because that is the name John gives to it in Revelation 20. He likens Satan's army to Magog.

And here lies the point of contention - not everyone agrees with this interpretation of things.

Think I'll leave now before things get even messier around here!

What's to be interpreted? It's right there in the text Neb.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.

When you look at the Ezekiel text, it's easy to see how Satan is the Rosh (chief or head) of Magog. Ezekiel called him Gog. John is simply making a comparison between what happens at the end of the 1000 years and the Scythian invasion of Israel, regarding swiftness and intensity.

Many people interpret Magog to be a place - an ancient name for a city, not the name of an army or demonic hoard or whatever.

That is correct for the Ezekiel prophecy. Magog is a place, its people were known as Magogites in ancient history. What John is doing is comparing Ezekiel's Gog and Magog account to what happens at the end of the 1000 years. There are both similarities and differences in the two accounts. In Revelation 20, Magog is the unbelieving peoples of the world, coming from the four quarters of the earth. Satan is Gog to their Magog in John's analogy.